That UFO Podcast

The UFO disclosure conversation is no longer moving in one direction. In this episode, Andy is joined by journalist Pavel to examine how David Grusch’s recent comments have exposed growing fractures inside the disclosure movement - including tensions around The Age of Disclosure, insider testimony, experiencers, and what the public is actually being told. Check out Pavel's work - https://allmylinks.com/pavelanche Timestamps 00:00 – Why disclosure feels different in 2026 05:00 – Grusch vs Clapper and The Age of Disclosure 12:30 – Is the public actually ready for the truth? 22:00 – Experiencers, belief, and skepticism 35:00 – Chris Bledsoe, belief systems, and control 52:00 – Nasca mummies: evidence or confusion? 1:08:00 – James Fox, Varginha & what comes next 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: / @thatufopodcast 🛸 Patreon: / thatufopodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ... 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOP... 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: / thatufopodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy 🎵 Music Credits: "Girl with the Saucer Eyes" – Adam Goldsack → http://bitly.ws/kvIK "Goblin Problems" – Sean Cahill → http://bitly.ws/kvIL

UFO skepticism didn’t begin with social media or modern debunkers. In this in-depth conversation, Andy is joined by writer and researcher Ryan Purkey to explore the life and legacy of Donald H. Menzel, a Harvard astronomer, naval intelligence officer, and one of the most influential figures in shaping how UFOs would be publicly dismissed. The discussion traces Menzel’s work in World War II cryptography and radar, his post-war intelligence connections, and how early Cold War priorities may have influenced the way UFO sightings were framed, dismissed, and stigmatized. From early crash retrieval claims to the blurred line between skepticism and strategy, this episode examines why the UFO topic still carries a uniquely high burden of proof and whether today’s debates are shaped by decisions made decades ago. Timestamps 00:00 – First interview of 2026 03:00 – Meeting Ryan Purkey 06:30 – David Grusch as a UFO entry point 12:00 – 2017 vs 2023: what really changed 18:30 – Who was Donald H. Menzel? 24:30 – Harvard, astronomy, and early computers 32:30 – World War II intelligence and cryptography 41:30 – Radar, UFOs, and early crash theories 50:30 – Skepticism vs debunking 1:02:00 – Eyewitness testimony and belief 1:15:00 – Religion, stigma, and UFO experiences 1:28:00 – The legacy of UFO skepticism 1:38:00 – Why this history still matters 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: / @thatufopodcast 🛸 Patreon: / thatufopodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ... 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOP... 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: / thatufopodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy 🎵 Music Credits: "Girl with the Saucer Eyes" – Adam Goldsack → http://bitly.ws/kvIK "Goblin Problems" – Sean Cahill → http://bitly.ws/kvIL

In this breaking news update, Andy examines the surprise listing of Reckoning: The Unspoken Truth about UFOs and the Urgency of Now, the upcoming book from Luis Elizondo, and why its framing and timing are important. The episode also breaks down recent interviews from David Grusch, including his appearance on The Megyn Kelly Show, where he discusses crash retrievals, deep-state dynamics, misinformation, and congressional oversight. Additional topics include: CIA responses to questions about the Atlas interstellar object Analysis of Avi Loeb’s recent commentary Chris Bledsoe on American Alchemy Community reactions, tensions, and the evolving disclosure landscape What to watch for next in early 2026 This episode focuses on context, credibility, and cutting through speculation. Timestamps 00:00 – Breaking news overview 01:00 – Elizondo’s new book listing appears 02:00 – Publisher blurb and release details 04:00 – Why this book matters now 06:00 – David Grusch on The Megyn Kelly Show 08:30 – Grusch on crash retrievals and legacy programs 11:00 – Deep-state dynamics and misinformation 13:30 – CIA “neither confirm nor deny” and Atlas 15:30 – Avi Loeb’s response and upcoming interview 17:30 – Chris Bledsoe on American Alchemy 19:30 – Community reactions and internal tensions 21:00 – What may be coming next in 2026 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: / @thatufopodcast 🛸 Patreon: / thatufopodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ... 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOP... 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: / thatufopodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

This is a listener Ask Me Anything episode, responding to questions submitted over the past year and digging into the biggest themes shaping the UFO conversation right now. We cover disclosure, whistleblowers, NHI, underwater UFOs, media manipulation, public apathy, AI, citizen disclosure, and whether governments still control the flow of information. I also reflect on 2025, what actually mattered, and what could genuinely change the conversation in the year ahead. Topics include: Are we any closer to disclosure? Why the public still isn’t fully engaged The problem with hype and UFO “shock jocks” Underwater bases and USOs Spielberg’s upcoming Disclosure Day film Citizen disclosure vs government disclosure What whistleblowers can realistically do Whether truth is coming from above… or below If you enjoy the show, please like, subscribe, and leave a comment. Your support genuinely keeps this podcast going. Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8 Timestamps 00:00 Welcome to 2026 & episode setup 01:10 Thank you to listeners + book update 03:00 New shows, guests & plans for 2026 05:00 AMA begins: What type of alien would I be? 07:00 What am I more certain and less certain about after 2025? 09:00 Factions, ego & agendas in the UFO space 11:00 Wild off-the-record things I’ve heard 13:30 Suppressed science & scientific secrecy 17:00 Do aliens have culture, rituals or celebrations? 19:00 If NHI revealed themselves, what happens next? 21:00 Are we actually closer to disclosure? 23:00 What would my first question be to NHI? 26:00 Why do UFOs have lights? 28:00 Trump, disclosure & who really decides 31:00 Interstellar objects, Avi Loeb & scientific nuance 36:00 Hype, misinformation & damage to the topic 38:00 Podcast growth, audience size & going full time 40:00 What will actually move the needle in 2026? 43:00 AI, fake content & trust erosion 45:00 Disclosure fatigue & public disengagement 47:00 Skepticism, money, ego & UFO culture 50:00 Media failure & why stories don’t stick 52:00 Whistleblowers, NDAs & physical evidence 54:00 Are humans too aggressive for contact? 56:00 Spielberg, Disclosure Day & cultural impact 58:00 Citizen disclosure & community action 01:02:00 Fragmentation within the UFO community 01:05:00 Personal comfort vs truth 01:08:30 Final thoughts & book mention 01:09:00 Outro 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: / thatufopodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

James Fox returns to That UFO Podcast to discuss the newly expanded version of Moment of Contact and why the Varginha UFO case may represent the most compelling crash retrieval case ever investigated. In this wide-ranging conversation, James outlines new medical testimony, alleged encounters with live beings, military involvement, and the ongoing search for missing video evidence. He also reflects on the personal cost of investigating such a controversial case, the challenge of protecting sources, and why he believes the story of Varginha is still unfolding nearly 30 years later. This episode explores crash retrievals, consciousness, disclosure, and the limits of what can be said publicly, and why some of the most important information remains off the record. Catch M.o.C here - https://geni.us/MOC_NewRevelations Timestamps 00:00 Introduction & James Fox Returns 01:20 Moment of Contact: New Revelations Explained 03:00 Why This Is Not Just a Director’s Cut 05:30 Overview of the Varginha UFO Case 08:40 Writing Varginha for Atlas of UFOs 10:00 Alleged Crash, Creatures & Military Response 15:30 Medical Testimony & Hospital Encounters 18:50 Emotional Impact on Witnesses & Investigators 22:30 Missing Videos & Evidence That Has Never Surfaced 27:00 Protecting Sources & Off-the-Record Testimony 31:30 What Terrifies Investigators Most 34:30 The Bigger Picture & Intent Question 38:00 Crash Retrievals & Global Patterns 42:00 Search and Rescue Theory 46:30 Why Varginha Still Matters 50:30 What Comes Next in the Investigation 55:00 Listener Questions 59:00 Final Thoughts & Closing 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: Interested in the wider UFO phenomenon? Andy’s book Atlas of UFOs explores some of the most famous and compelling cases from around the world. 👉 https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs 🛸 YouTube Memberships: / @thatufopodcast 🛸 Patreon: / thatufopodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ... 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOP... 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: / thatufopodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

2025 was meant to be a breakthrough year for UFOs — (yes, i included an em dash) but did it deliver? Andy and Dan break down the biggest UFO and UAP stories of 2025, including Skywatcher’s rise and stall, whistleblowers stepping forward, congressional hearings, scientific progress, documentaries, and the growing frustration inside the UFO community. Topics include: Skywatcher, Jake Barber, and shifting goalposts Whistleblowers Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland, and others Why UFO hearings may be losing their impact The science behind transient objects in historic sky data The Age of Disclosure documentary Hollywood, soft disclosure, and public expectations Predictions for UFOs in 2026 Part one of the end-of-year review. A follow-up episode with listener questions and more discussion is coming soon. Check out Dan's work - https://www.tobehumanshow.com/ Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and looking back at UFOs in 2025 02:00 A different alien invasion on TV and why it stood out 06:30 Why 2025 felt quieter than expected 07:00 Skywatcher, Jake Barber, and early promises 11:30 Missing deadlines and moving goalposts 16:00 Is Skywatcher still credible 19:00 Whistleblowers in 2025 Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland 23:00 When whistleblowers talk too much 27:00 Twitter spaces and why they cause problems 31:00 Whistleblower protections and financial reality 36:00 Are UFO hearings losing their impact 41:00 What hearings need to change 44:00 Scientific progress and transient objects in old sky data 49:00 Why this research matters 52:00 Hollywood, documentaries, and The Age of Disclosure 58:00 Who that documentary was really for 01:05:00 Soft disclosure versus entertainment 01:10:00 Predictions for UFOs in 2026 01:17:00 Underwater UFOs and USOs 01:23:00 Legislation, hearings, and next steps 01:28:00 Wrapping up and what’s coming next 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: / @thatufopodcast 🛸 Patreon: / thatufopodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ... 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOP... 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: / thatufopodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In this bonus review episode, Andy takes a closer look at the documentary American Sasquatch: Man, Myth or Monster?, a film that explores the Bigfoot phenomenon through eyewitness testimony, physical evidence, DNA claims, and high strangeness theories. Stepping slightly outside the usual UFO focus, this review examines how the documentary approaches Sasquatch in a way that will feel very familiar to UAP researchers. Is Bigfoot a flesh and blood creature, a misidentified relic of human ancestry, or something far stranger with possible links to UFOs, portals, and consciousness? The episode breaks down the film’s structure, pacing, credibility, and key claims, while comparing its approach to how UFO evidence is often presented and debated. Topics include footprint evidence, DNA analysis, portal theories, Skinwalker Ranch connections, and why Bigfoot and UFO sightings so often appear together. The second half of the episode features extensive listener feedback, with reactions ranging from firm belief to outright skepticism. Is American Sasquatch convincing? Does it go too far? Or does it mirror the same unresolved questions found throughout UFO research? 🎧 This is a bonus review episode from That UFO Podcast. Timestamps 00:00 - Intro & Show Updates 02:08 - American Sasquatch Documentary Review Begins 05:48 - Comparing Sasquatch and UFO Phenomena 08:21 - Patterson-Gimlin Footage & Debate 13:01 - Importance of Clear Footage & Credibility 15:32 - First Major Witness Testimony 19:36 - DNA Evidence & Analysis 21:36 - Skinwalker Ranch & Paranormal Connections 24:18 - Open-mindedness in Bigfoot Research 24:34 - Host’s Final Thoughts 25:06 - Listener Comments & Stories 32:48 - Outro & How to Support the Show 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: / @thatufopodcast 🛸 Patreon: / thatufopodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ... 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOP... 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: / thatufopodcast Email: [email protected] All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy