How the 22 Wins

AmbGun's Rimfire vs Centerfire Page https://www.ambgun.com/ambidextral-pistol/9mmvs22lr How the 22 Wins - 9mm versus 22 Long Rifle https://youtu.be/kR3THJW5smQ?si=cNcjUVzUhRVepacN How the KelTec P17 Wins - 9mm versus the P17 https://youtu.be/YWMopzx3hgE?si=dBkqD0JQ330Dx5Ck After I presented the statistical, financial, and lethality reasons for choosing 22LR for self defense over 9mm (or centerfire in general), I end up getting the “inherent unreliability of rimfire” argument. Given my battle to get the Ruger LCP II to run reliably, the claim certainly has merit. However, If I look at the reliability of the KelTec P17 I am unable to discern a reliability benefit compared to centerfire. The P17 with Mini-Mag has been shockingly reliable. I would have to do 50,000 rounds of side by side testing to discern a difference compared to 9mm. My reliability testing protocol would be a bit different than the typical run it dirty until it quits test. I would allow cleaning of the handgun every 100 rounds. For example my Galloway Precision equipped Ruger LCP II is running Federal Punch 100% reliably for 50 rounds after cleaning before I start seeing any issues. I carry at most 30 rounds, so good enough. Like “all cause mortality” my reliability testing of center-fire vs rimfire would add a time component…e.g., running a drill to see how many rounds are placed on target in 20 seconds with the measurement including the time it takes to clear any malfunctions that arise…comparison of average scores between rimfire and centerfire over that 50,000 rounds. Moreover the drill would require draw, 3 one handed shots, shift to a barricade and 3 three more shots hits weak hand point shooting around the barricade while peering thru a window, then see how many two handed azone hits can be achieved in the remaining time allocation. And if we assume that rimfire suffers three times the malfunctions as centerfire, I still think that given the speed with which a P17 malf can be managed coupled with the general speed with which hits can be placed in the A-zone with 22LR vs centerfire, the 22LR will come out on top. Then there is Opportunity costs. What is the likelihood, over a lifetime, that you will face a lethal threat that requires a firearm? What other risks do you face? Firing about 1,000 rounds of handgun per month, I can save well over $1,000/year running rimfire rather than 9mm…and much greater savings when compared to other calibers…is that $1,000+ best spent to get the alleged tiny fraction of improved reliability of a centerfire firearm or would the “saving your life and that of your family” $1,000 be better allocated to body armor, first aid gear, better tires for your family vehicle, nutrition, food storage, moving to the country, thermal or night vision, education, pare down debt, gym membership, etc The whole “I wouldn’t trust my life to” x, is almost wholly a rationalization to buy toys we think are cool while ignoring any adult evaluation of the opportunity costs or adjusting for any kind of all encompassing risk analysis. In my judgment, a 22LR KelTec P17 for CCW and a Ruger 10/22 is about all I need for a WROL situation. Add in a centerfire rifle like an AR, RDB, or Mini 14 for louder hunting and “go to war” and I’m done. I have WAAY more than this and honestly I’d be smart to sell this excess off and address those opportunity costs I’m currently ignoring. With my video channel, I rationalize that this excess is part of that business. But given how lucrative it is creating video content, that only works when I’m not thinking about it too carefully. Time to think more carefully.

What advantages does the KelTec P17 bring to the self defense arena? How does it compare to a centerfire 9mm for self defense? What is the lifetime cost of training with a P17 vs a 9mm? Why is the P17 ideal for family self defense? What are the maintenance issues that plague the typical 9mm pistol? How easy is it to maintain a P17? Which pistol is best for manipulating with bloody hands? MantisX10 https://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=ml&ti=964145&pw=286681 9mm Training Laser https://amzn.to/3aGblOa Sentry Solutions Tuf-Glide https://amzn.to/3wh1NEO Wyoming Trader's Vest https://amzn.to/2mY3WXz Hill People Runner's Kit Bag https://amzn.to/2SNITEJ Roungs Per Size and Weight Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bBQbxr-yWSGhT5Y3LJBkOmrwYl5AFu_jpH0tAA_DaCw/edit?usp=sharing Firing Pin Block for P17 https://youtu.be/_A9Ms1T5k2k MantisX10 Playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVlCoEE1rzM7HAkuUOAd2MSluxJ2CGD77 ***** Greg Ellifritz Using the .22 for Self Defense https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/using-the-22-for-self-defense The .22 LR For Self Defense: Good, Bad Or Crazy? https://gundigest.com/article/defensive-22-lr-good-bad-or-stupid Data behind the research http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/an-alternate-look-at-handgun-stopping-power Greg’s amazing resume https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/instructors ***** P17 Playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVlCoEE1rzM6KwuX1mBkWfZ4PowTV6AjR Applegate Grip Ratio https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVlCoEE1rzM5M5zCjAHtCIucdJBclgsfu Applegate Grip Ratio Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hu-beUUCD7R6LzUtBCla96YAviscQEaqds2Jz_0KjGA/edit?usp=sharing Rex Applegate Series https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVlCoEE1rzM7EAKRL73l0wmMT2ivTATuc How to Become an Ambidextral Gunfighter https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVlCoEE1rzM4PGhm-vNuo_ca8rduMjtIK When Violence is the Answer by Tim Larkin https://amzn.to/3emD5tB Target Focus Training https://targetfocustraining.com Amazon P17 IWB Holster https://amzn.to/3prr1y0 AmbGun IWB Holster https://www.signalcliff.com/ambidextral-store Forged Tec holster IWB and OWB Holsters https://www.forgedtecholsters.com Chapters 0:00 9mm 0:16 22 Cartridge 1:06 Human Vulnerability 2:47 Rate of Fire 3:16 Awkard Positions 3:54 Paddle Mag Release 5:40 Size & Weight 7:23 Opportunity Costs 8:09 Firearm Obsession 9:05 Live Fire Practice 10:26 Dry Fire Practice 10:56 P17 Hammer Block 11:12 MantisX10 Elite 11:51 Trigger 12:40 MantisX10 Scores 13:56 Grip Ratio 14:50 Slide Release 16:11 Safety 17:17 Field Strip 17:46 Sights 19:14 Bloody Hands 20:10 Holsters 20:49 Family 22:12 P17 Cost 22:44 Reliability 23:07 Clean and Lube 24:20 9mm Striker Channel 25:16 Conclusion

Links Using the .22 for Self Defense by Greg Ellifritz (L E Fritz) https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/using-the-22-for-self-defense The .22 LR For Self Defense: Good, Bad Or Crazy? https://gundigest.com/article/defensive-22-lr-good-bad-or-stupid Data behind the research http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/an-alternate-look-at-handgun-stopping-power Greg’s amazing resume https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/instructors IDF uses 10/22 https://www.rugertalk.com/articles/the-plinker-went-to-war-the-idfs-ruger-10-22.126/ Israeli Mossad .22 LRS: The Reliable Pistols of the Mossad https://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/israeli-mossad-22-lrs/ Aleppo Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3jbNepN6kM https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/07/tx2guns-urban-guerilla-sniping-v3-0/ Decibels https://www.m1911.org/loudness.htm Bloody Hands https://youtu.be/mDIAQd11Pbc Only Hits Count? https://youtu.be/wbi1i0gxgaI The 22lr is badass and here is why https://www.survivalmonkey.com/threads/the-22lr-is-badass-and-here-is-why.33420/page-3 Sentry Solutions Tuf Glide https://amzn.to/S2rWMW6G Sentry Solutions Tuf Glide Marine https://amzn.to/3flhBgM Bullseyes Don't Shoot Back https://amzn.to/2QjKEb0 Chapters 0:00 Welcome 0:19 9mm vs 22 Start 1:56 Rounds per weight 2:32 Bullet Weight 3:22 Kinetic Energy 4:01 Greg Ellifritz Incapacitation 5:53 Skewed Data 6:33 Only Hits Matter? 7:23 Recoil 7:46 Decibels 9:01 Training Opportunity Cost 10:29 Rapid Fire 11:47 From Cover 12:14 Prevailing in a Gunfight 14:01 Greg Ellifritz Using the 22 for Self Defense 15:14 Slide, Bloody Hands, Malfunction Handling 17:07 Reliability 18:59 Trust Your Life to 20:30 Legal 21:01 Suppressors 22:10 Barrel Life 22:34 Z-Day 23:30 Lessons of Aleppo Sniper War 24:40 IDF Riot Control 25:31 Survival Hunting 26:40 Project Appleseed 27:50 Never Thought I would