Lordship Salvation??

Rock has a list of verses with some thoughts that he wants to use for a Youth Bible study and we're going to study them and check how Biblical the teaching is that is being presented.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCFBXO88RI Here I Stand: 7 Takes That Will Offend Everyone & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILfzQmqdgfk One Thing Most People Get Wrong About Calvinism (Even Many Calvinists)

I will not be reviewing the whole video as Smokey destroyed himself immediately and the debate was over as soon as he answered the first question. But I will review a little more than that. And we'll also look at a couple of ChatGPT summaries of the debate. https://youtu.be/c7iBgyJXIN0?si=AZSzH0Y3R5a_l_fT

I'm going to be approaching this from a different aspect than others. I want to play and review my favourite Jmac sermon. "Killing the sin in your life - Colossians 3:4" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUSHEKnqp5A And then point out some issues with jmac and his theology. He is human and has good and bad. Even as a Christian, he is still imperfect.

Kevin and I did a review of a debate between Free Gracers and Calvinists. In the side chat were Charles Jennings (who was one of the two Free Grace proponents) and C Jay Cox who is Lordship Salvation but not in the debate. Kevin and I reject both extremes and consider ourselves moderate Lordship Salvation (which in my opinion overlaps with moderate Free Grace). Here is our review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy8WVsUuk0s. I'll be starting from an hour and 9 minutes as I don't see any interesting comments prior to that.

The problem with the term "Free Grace" is that is describes a number of different positions and is essentially a "false dichotomy" argument that is trying to distinguish itself from "Lordship Salvation" which is also a broad umbrella term that is not a unified position. Scripture presents a more complex situation than either of those two positions generally acknowledge. Today we will listen to a self-described "Free Grace" proponent who is rejected by many others who claim the same title. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_MA7MBrk06k&list=WL&index=1&t=3538s&pp=gAQBiAQB - starting at 29 minutes in.

What does this mean, especially in relation to Lordship Salvation vs Free Grace etc. 1 Peter 1.5, 9 Jud 1.24 (and whole chapter) Heb 10.23, 38, 39 And maybe John 10

What does this mean? We'll look at this is Matthew 7 and a few other passages. This will be partly in response to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoEcMVzFBRc which has the description "In this video I will go over numerous passages with Max such as Matthew 7.15-20, Luke 6.43-45,Matthew 3.7-10 & Galatians 5.22-23. What is the fruit? Can Christians have bad fruit?

Why is there controversy about the gospel that Ray Comfort preaches? Is repentance necessary for salvation? Yes. Does repentance mean to "turn from sin"? Yes, but only in your mind. The change in life is later. What does the word "repentance" literally mean? It is a translation of the word "μετανοια" which means "another mind/thinking" and is used to mean "a change of mind". We'll investigate these and related topics. I apologise for the poor recording. I hope you can figure out most of it. Please ask questions, not just about the gaps in recording but any confusion and objections to what we say.

John MacArthur is probably the leading proponent of Lordship Salvation and seems to me and Kevin to have an extreme version of the idea. In contrast, we have "Free Grace" (which is usually presented in a very extreme way). The problem with this false dichotomy is not just how extreme both positions usually are but the overemphasis on our works, fruit etc instead of on God's work and promises etc. We'll have a look at some articles on the topic, and John 10 and 15 and other passages.