From an older convo but still very relevant https://rumble.com/v6w8gug-witnessing-the-death-of-innocence-votv-sit-down-with-kimberley-isherwood.html
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From an older convo but still very relevant https://rumble.com/v6w8gug-witnessing-the-death-of-innocence-votv-sit-down-with-kimberley-isherwood.html