Civilization and Control | with Paul Kingsnorth

This is my second conversation with Paul Kingsnorth. We talk about his brilliant substack, called The Abbey of Misrule, civilization and control, the power of the state and our technological systems, the matrix, politics, what it takes for communities to survive, our relationship to technology and how we should orient ourselves in the coming trials.

Our previous conversation: Environmentalism, the Tower of Babel and the Disintegration of Culture | with Paul Kingsnorth: https://youtu.be/uqDWGdJJx1Y

St. Basil’s School of Writing: https://www.stbasilwriting.com

Paul Kingsnorth’s work:
- Website: https://www.paulkingsnorth.net/
- Substack: The Abbey of Misrule: https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/
- Novel: Alexandria by Paul Kingsnorth: https://www.amazon.com/Alexandria-Novel-Paul-Kingsnorth/dp/1644450356

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Thank you to Nicolás Hernández Moreno for creating this version of the intro music.

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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Coming up next
00:00:24 - Intro music
00:00:52 - Current affairs and the Canadian trucker protest
00:04:21 - Introduction
00:05:29 - What's behind Paul's substack
00:09:24 - Civilization and control
00:13:23 - The extremes of control and freedom
00:16:19 - The power of the state
00:20:37 - The justification of extreme measures
00:24:21 - Our options
00:27:03 - Church and community
00:29:24 - The left
00:30:41 - The Amish community & their approach to technology
00:33:28 - The technological system
00:37:02 - How communities survive
00:38:05 - What's the spiritual response we should have?
00:40:21 - King David
00:41:46 - The dance between the Kingdom and the world
00:43:45 - Paul's fiction
00:45:42 - No longer a conspiracy
00:48:28 - The value of values
00:51:22 - The isolation of individuals
00:53:38 - The shift in narrative about the matrix
00:56:46 - Inherent fragility of systems
00:58:53 - The sacred limits of reality vs the metaverse
01:04:08 - The deal with the devil & the matrix
01:07:26 - Unearthing an old god
01:10:23 - We're not in control anymore
01:15:41 - The road ahead
01:18:19 - Outro

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