Mehdi Hasan Sparks Lightbulb Moment For Israeli Journalist

Mehdi Hasan joins the program and tells a story about how he was speaking with an Israeli journalist who couldn't believe his country was losing its democracy but Medhi had some bad news for him.

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What was going on in Israel at the beginning of this week? It is and we've had a couple of interviews on this. I'm curious as to your thoughts. Because it really is just fascinating to see what's been going on there fascinating both in terms of like it's unprecedented the amount of like sort of protest that's going on within the context of that country. It's also fascinating in this sort of like this inability for the body politic that is protesting against the anti-democratic moves of Bibi Netanyahu to see the massive anti-democratic sort of elephant that has been sitting, you know, that is almost the room essentially for decades now. Yes, and Michael swad the Israeli human rights lawyer who came on my Sunday show last week made that point. That we are protesting just a few miles away from people we are controlling and don't have any democracy. And the point I made on MSNBC on Monday night when I was sitting in for Chris Hayes was you know if you want to have real democracy in Israel you need to have freedom for the Palestinians. You can't have a real democracy that controls the lives of several million people who don't have a right to vote. Who doesn't have a right to choose their government? Who does live under a dictatorship? A prominent Israeli journalist texted me last week saying I hope you're covering the story. It's crazy what's happening here. We're turning into a dictatorship. I said yes I'm glad you're all protesting but of course, for Palestinians, it's always been a dictatorship. Right. And he said yes after a pause. So I hope more people are realizing it's probably not enough. What I would say is look, we can't control Israel. I know that yeah Netanyahu's son believes that the American government is behind all the protests. I love their conspiracy theories. But we can't control what's happening in Israel fully. What we can control is what's happening in our country. And one thing I would say is for a long time people have tried you know I wrote a book called win every argument. You know how you frame the best argument. How do you come up with the best narrative? And I do believe that we've tried so many arguments. Those of us who believe in Palestinian rights are critics of Israel's occupation, you know, international law. Human rights reports. trying to humanize Palestinians. We've tried every single method people have and it hasn't really worked. Not in Congress for sure. But what I would say is now is the time to lean into the supporters of Israel's argument. Because for years we were told by the support it is or the reason we're back in Israel is not because of the military-industrial complex. Not because we're fighting Iran. It's not because of AIPAC it's not because of any of those conspiracies. Because of shared values.