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Men Wrote the Bible
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Unbelievers Attempted Murder of God
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When sinners have a chance they will try to murder God. John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
The knowledge of God (along with his eternal power) is immediately known to all men by the revelation of his works in creation. (Rom.1:19-21, Psa.19:1-3) The problem is that “they did not like to retain God in their knowledge” (Rom.1:28) “they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord” (Prv.1:29) and “they are all under sin”. (Rom.3:9) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. (Rom.3:10-18) They are haters of God (Rom.1:30) and thus murderers of God (1 Jn.3:15, Jam.4:4, Jn.8:40, 58-9, 3:19-20).
They hate and therefore deny his particular existence. Thus when they speak of a God you are speaking of a figment of your imagination. You are doing exactly as Paul stated- they “changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man” and again “changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator” (Rom.1:23,25). You are rejecting his revelation, denying his existence and creating in his place a god in your heart that is more appealing and desirable because it is like you (Ezek.14:3-4, 8:12). You then become the prophet of this god knowing what he will and won’t do; what he likes and dislikes, delivering his commandments.
Now imagine that the God of scripture is real and he says that he is immediately known to all people from his creation to the degree “that they are without excuse” (Rom.1:20). And you, his creature, deny his existence, call him a liar in that you declare his revelation is not clear and that you do have an excuse. But yet you do not seek him to find out the knowledge of the holy, rather you employ your energies and time in gratifying your lusts, defiling your body, mind and conscience (Rom.1:24-32, Tit.1:15) and go whoring after devils (Lev.17:7,Psa.106:37). Which is to say you permanently alter yourself to the negative after having been given by him invaluable resources such as your eyes, your speech, your mind, love, life, time, hearing, tasting, feeling, beauty. Were you thankful to him? No (Rom.1:21), you denied his existence and stamped out every mention of him, turning your ear at every thought of him and thereby becoming forever his enemy.
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What if Aliens Changed the Bible?
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EleazarDuprees
Regardless of what accusations are thrown at the bible, when you let it speak for itself and evaluate it as a philosophical system or worldview it alone provides a cogent and consistent system of justifying thought. And if you reject it you have no basis for epistemology or laws of thought, math or otherwise.
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Probability and Certainty
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EleazarDuprees
Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
Psalm 111:7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
Psalm 93:5 Thy testimonies are very sure:
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1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Acts 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled...
Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Acts 9:22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them. 44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
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Certainty & Persuasion
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2 Pet.1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
Proverbs 22:21 That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?
Luke 1:3-5 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order... That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Proverbs 2:6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
Titus 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Colossians 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
1 John 3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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No Neutrality
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EleazarDuprees
Unbelievers when they try to reason with us to abandon Christianity or question the reasonableness of scripture are assuming a view of reality that is anti-Christ. That logic, math, science, morals and our minds all exist without any reference to God. This is hostile to the Christian God and we should address it in that way.
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
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Nature's revelation
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EleazarDuprees
God reveals himself through his creation. (Psa.19:1-3, 33:15, Rom.1:19-20) The fear of the LORD acknowledges the uniformity of nature as being a product of his word and wisdom and thus is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge (Psa.111:10; Prv.1:7, 9:10). And likewise the natural revelation confirmed in the hearts and consciences of men. (Rom.2:14-15)
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The Apologetics of Sin
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EleazarDuprees
The problem of evil is the problem for unbelievers not evidence against the Christian God. There is no objective ground for good and evil unless the Christian worldview is correct.
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Thus saith ME
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EleazarDuprees
You will note very quickly when evangelizing the lost that they believe things they assert on no authority other than themselves. They claim things even about God on their personal preference and talk like they are prophets of their god. Point this out so they can see the folly of throwing claims around with no evidence or authority.
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Unargued Philosophical Baggage
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EleazarDuprees
Don't let your opponent maintain unjustified assumptions. All unbelievers have a bundle of incoherent positions which they slothfully assume and never feel like they need to justify them. Our job in delivering them is to point this out and call them to repent.
Circularity
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EleazarDuprees
The nature of the debate for Christianity and the bible is a clash of entire systems of thought. Everyone thinks about their worldview assuming their worldview. This is not the the same as the simple begging the question fallacy. But you must assume the worldviews in clash and see where they are internally consistent and only Christianity turns out to be.
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Accounting for Counting
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EleazarDuprees
The claims we are making are not that unbelievers can't think or calculate or add, but only that these actions would not be possible unless the Christian God exists.
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The Existence of Evidence is Evidence for the Bible
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EleazarDuprees
If there is such a thing as ‘evidence’ then there must exist logical laws. For the nature of the evidence must reasonably support and not contradict the belief. Also these laws of logic would have to be public or objective so others could arrive at the same conclusions. These laws of logic (and mathematics) aren’t physical and bound by geography as everyone can use them, even people in the past or future can accept the same evidence and logic doesn’t change from time to time or from person to person.
Plus it is also evident that your evidence is not expected to randomly and sporadically change into something else. You expect uniformity in nature and physical laws and that the laws of math and logic will consistently apply to the world. Thus evidence for anything assumes the Christian worldview.
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What's Your Final Authority?
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EleazarDuprees
Everyone has a final authority they appeal to for truth. Most people however are not aware of what theirs is.
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Laws of Logic
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EleazarDuprees
Logic is absolute, eternal, abstract (not physical), universal and unchanging; reflecting God's nature and thinking, and how we must think (Isa.1:18, Job 38:36, Prv.2:6). One cannot know truth apart from logic. Logic within the correct worldview will always lead to the truth (Prv.8:6-9). He made us in his image to reason with him (Gen. 1:26-28, Psa.33:14-5, Zec.12:1). God puts wisdom in our hearts and minds and obligates us to be rational. Sin and pride cause men to err in their thinking (Eph.2:3,4:18, Tit.1:15, Prv.13:10).
As a primer for the understanding that mathematical objects (numbers, equations) are discovered and have independent existence presupposing a universal mind that made us to have thoughts analogous to his own. See this- • Atheist STUMPED By How MATH Points To... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esgbCRyX9wk&t=0s
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Moral Laws
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EleazarDuprees
Right & wrong, good & evil in our postmodern culture reduces to 'I like this but not that.' If moral laws are not derived from the nature of the God of scripture they have no objectivity, they are strictly subjective opinion.
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Crackers in the Pantry Fallacy
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EleazarDuprees
This is a common error when unbelievers demand we prove God's existence in a certain way. While rationality demands that the nature of the thing you are examining will indicate what evidence is valid (e.g. an air pressure gauge for air pressure and not a volt meter). Evidence for God who is an omnipresent Spirit, would not be material in a certain location.
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Theology before Philosophy
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EleazarDuprees
The foundation of all thought (epistemology) is the Christian God. His attributes of Omniscience, Omnipresence, Omnipotence, Eternality and Immutability provide the preconditions for logical and mathematical and scientific laws. There is no substitute.
Psalm 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
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Evidences & Presuppositions
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EleazarDuprees
The evidence for all claims is evaluated by one's presupposed worldview, mainly regarding epistemology i.e., laws of logic, science. This should not be overlooked, rather it should be challenged that only Christianity provides the foundation of thought. All other worldviews succumb to incoherence when evaluated on their own terms.
The Historical Jesus DID Exist - Bart Ehrman
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43mDuIN5-ww&t=0s
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Intro to Street Presupp
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EleazarDuprees
These are short summaries for Presuppositional Apologetics to help in evangelizing. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. 2 Cor.10:5
As an argument the transcendental argument can be expressed as If A is necessary for B. And B is, then A is.
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The Bible as an Axiom
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EleazarDuprees
The scriptures provide us with a worldview that validates its claims by the "impossibility of the contrary". Meaning, the doctrines (first theology) in the bible are true because the denial of them leads to contradiction and irrationality. Biblical Theology is the foundation of all rationality and thought.
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Reasoning with the Bible as a Whole
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EleazarDuprees
The Bible should be approached as a worldview or a philosophical system. Not simply as a collection of ancient documents to be judged by some OTHER worldview or philosophical system.
Circularity
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The nature of the debate for Christianity and the bible is a clash of entire systems of thought. Everyone thinks about their worldview assuming their worldview. This is not the the same as the simple begging the question fallacy. But you must assume the worldviews in clash and see where they are internally consistent and only Christianity turns out to be.
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