Why Post-Nationalism Leads to Disintegration and Violence: John O’Sullivan

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This is the 30 minute TV version of Jan Jekielek’s interview with John O’Sullivan. The longer-form version was released on Epoch TV on February 13, 2025.

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In this episode, Jan Jekielek interviews John O’Sullivan, a former policy and speech writer for British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, and former editor-in-chief of National Review and executive editor of Radio Free Europe. Today, he’s the president of the Danube Institute, a Hungary-based think-tank.

A “unified national identity is an absolute essential for a successful democracy,” he says. “If we continue on a multicultural path, it’s a path which is going to go in the directions of ever more aggressive and hostile identity politics, and people will feel that their neighbors are their enemies.”

O'Sullivan’s latest book is titled: “Sleepwalking into Wokeness: How We Got Here.”
“The idea of post-nationalism is unachievable if you’re a state. You don’t remain just a post-national state, what you become is something else,” he says.

CHAPTER TITLES
0:00:01 - Unified National Identity and Democracy
0:00:55 - European Reactions to Trump's Victory
0:03:52 - Multiculturalism and National Identity
0:08:48 - John O'Sullivan's Background and Political Journey
0:13:27 - Thatcher's Leadership Style and Public Perception
0:17:29 - Modern Political Skepticism and Identity Politics
0:20:32 - Violence and Political Representation
0:22:47 - Sean O'Callaghan's Story and Anti-Terrorism Efforts
0:22:58 - Final Thoughts and Conclusion

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