No Plan B: Building a Career on the Edge of Chaos with Josh Saunders

In this high-octane episode of On The Edge with Scott Groves, we meet Josh Saunders—rugby savage turned jiu-jitsu black belt and founder of HPU Athletic. Josh breaks down what it takes to become a world-class competitor on and off the mats, detailing his transformation from injured athlete to elite grappler and business owner. With raw honesty and no-bullshit insights, he dives into how mastery in BJJ mirrors business success, the myth of motivation, and why consistency trumps talent every time. Whether you're an athlete, entrepreneur, or someone grinding for greatness, this episode delivers the mindset strategies, battle scars, and real talk you need to win.

Chapters:
00:00:00 - Savage Origins: The Most Reluctant Tesla Owner Meets the Mat
00:02:03 - From Bone Breaks to Belt Ranks: Why Rugby Had to Die for Jiujitsu to Live
00:04:44 - Training Clients, Hating Life: The Wake-Up Call That Launched HPU
00:07:57 - No Time to Suck: How Josh Hacked the BJJ Learning Curve
00:13:09 - When Obsession Becomes Career: Building a Life Around Jiujitsu
00:22:19 - Underdogs Down Under: The Raw Truth About Australian BJJ
00:26:17 - Sharks Only: What Happens When You Roll with the Best on Earth
00:29:32 - Armbar Economics: Why Jiujitsu Is the Ultimate Business Teacher
00:35:21 - No Plan B: Leaving Security to Bet Everything on the Grind
00:36:07 - Fight or Fold: The Daily Sparring Match Between Business and BJJ
00:36:42 - Build Ugly, Build Now: The Power of Launching Before You're Ready
00:37:35 - Your Niche Isn’t Too Small—You’re Just Playing Too Soft
00:37:52 - Business Chaos Therapy: How Josh Handles Fires Without Folding
00:38:24 - Selling Dog Blankets and Eating Shit: The Humble Start to a Killer Brand
00:40:15 - Start Ugly, Stay Consistent: Why Most People Never Win
00:41:28 - Hand-Delivering T-Shirts and Other Entrepreneurial Hazing Rituals
00:44:29 - From Solo Hustler to Global Tribe: The Rise of the HPU Brotherhood
00:55:05 - Stop Searching for Motivation—Start Building Discipline
01:01:36 - You're Not Failing—You're Just Afraid to Succeed
01:07:05 - Proof in the Parking Lot: Growth You Can Actually See
01:07:22 - The Culture That Builds Killers: Inside the Gym That Raised Josh
01:08:15 - Want to Be a Champion? Here's What You're Not Doing Yet
01:10:18 - Burn the Boats: What It Really Takes to Go All-In
01:16:52 - Drilling Wars: Why Your Favorite Training Method Might Be Holding You Back
01:27:33 - Bigger Plans, Bigger Pressure: What Josh Is Chasing in 2025
01:31:47 - From Gladiators to Gladiator: Final Thoughts and Film Favorites
Links and Resources:
Josh on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hpucoaching/?hl=en
HPU Athletic on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hpuathletic/?hl=en
HPU Athletic: https://hpuathletic.com/en-us
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