Why did Pfizer obscure SV40 from the FDA? | Clip

Robert F Kennedy and Neurosurgeon Jack Kruse might have that answer. RFK Jr: “Do you know the story of SV40?”

Prepare to be shocked.

Full Discussion - https://open.spotify.com/episode/3MdUNmYRuvDp6cnebthgcF

Transcript:

"Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Jack Kruse" (youtube "Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin") - TRANSCRIPT:

RFK: Do you know the story of SV40?

So SV40 was in the early days related to polio vaccines. They were growing the polio virus on a substrate of macerated monkey kidneys, specifically African green monkeys. Yeah, they were using African green monkeys. There were other forms of the vaccine. Stanley Plotkin was using bonobos and chimpanzees, which there's a whole book about. That's where the HIV virus supposedly made the leap into human beings.

But anyway, what they didn't know at that time was because they couldn't see viruses; you couldn't find them. They're too small, and there were no microscopes at that time to do so.

Dr Jack Kruse: Also, remember, DNA was discovered in '53; this was going on in '50, '51, '52. So, the state of molecular biology at that time was what I would call rudimentary

RFK: Right. So, what they didn't realize was these monkeys had hundreds of viruses that nobody knew what would happen if they jumped into human beings.

And what they... well, there was a very famous scientist, the most award-winning scientist at that time at NIH, her name was Bernice Eddy. I think she actually knew Mary.

Dr Kruse: You're making me very happy, Bobby, because guess what? The fact that you know Bernice, because I'm going to tell you the guy Kevin McCain I just told you about, yeah, I tweeted at him yesterday. I said when I talk to Bobby tomorrow, I'm going to make you as famous as Bernice Eddy because her career was destroyed for telling the truth.

She's the one, and he'll know this story better. I don't mean to interrupt you, but I get excited when you get right there. Marcus Hilleman, who was a leading researcher for Merck, gets all the credit;

RFK: he invented the MMR vaccine

Kruse: He gets all the credit though for this story that Bobby is laying out.

RFK: And just to tell you kind of briefly what it is, she discovered that there were all these viruses, and she called them Simian viruses, so SV, and the 40th one she discovered was a virus that was extraordinarily oncogenic and carcinogenic.

Kruse: It didn't cause cancer in the African green monkeys, but today, in 2023, anytime SV40 is in another vector, it causes cancer.

RFK: Yeah, in fact, they use it in laboratories studying tumors; they use it to induce tumor growth. So, you give it to a guinea pig, and it will sprout tumors like a mushroom field. It's the most carcinogenic stuff they've known of, at least when I was looking at it.

Dr Jack Kruse: Its absolutely still the truth.

Presenter: Why was this research happening in the '50s? What were they trying to do?

RFK: No, they were making polio vaccines on the substrate, so the way that you grow a vaccine...

Presenter: Why though?

RFK: To get the might make vaccine. When you mass-produce a vaccine, you need to grow the culture, and the... you have to grow it either on human tissue, which is hard to get and you know, there are legal, ethical, and moral problems, or you can use animal tissue. There are disease problems because if the human has a disease...... A lot of that monkey material is getting into the vaccine, and the viruses were getting into the vaccine.

Bernice Eddy, right before they distributed the vaccine - there were about 98 million doses about to be distributed - she goes to her bosses at NIH and said, "You can't do it because it's filled with this carcinogen that's going to give everybody cancer."

Kruse: She injected, just so you know, she injected the monkeys with the Cutter vaccine, and they got polio. But here's where the story I'm going to...

RFL: that is kind of another part of that story.

Kruse: Let me tell you the part that I want you to hear. So guess who is a big investor in Cutter Pharmaceuticals? Alton Ochsner. So what did he do? He got the entire medical staff in 1951 in the amphitheater, brought his two grandchildren in, and injected his granddaughter and grandson.

RFK: Oh yeah, and they died

Kruse: The grandson died of polio five days later, and then guess what, the granddaughter got polio, she survived.

So who tells me this story is John Ochsner, the guy that I told you before. It's an unbelievable story, my whole where it goes.

RFK: Eddy reports this to her bosses at yes, and they ignore her; they tell her to shut her mouth. Becuase there was so much publicity at that time that they had this vaccine that was going to eliminate polio, and it was like a freight train or an engine that they could not stop at this point. They said, "No, we can't put the brakes on this thing." So they... she then kept her mouth shut, but then about six months later, she was at a New York Academy of Science meeting, right? She went to a conference of scientists and was so frustrated, and at that conference, which was an insiders group, she told them, and NIH went berserk. They moved her to the basement, took away her laboratory, took away her telephone, and told her that she was not allowed to talk to anybody without permission from the NIH bosses. And you know,

Kruse: she really was scrubbed from the scientific community. But so was the people that worked at Bernices

RFK: and by the way, our generation - which is, you know, I'm 69, how old are you?

Kruse: 60.

RFK: Yeah, so my generation was that baby boom generation; we all got that vaccine this year. And you know, I think the soft tissue cancer, which the cancers that it causes, are 10 times what they were in the previous generation for my generation. All these, you know, breast cancers, colon cancers, etcetera, and in many of those cancers in the tumors, they find SV40.