Lungfish, Sissy Spacek & artistic freedom (also, we love Gap clothes)

What artists give you permission to break the rules in your work? Jason and Joshua discuss the influence of Lungfish and The Velvet Underground, John Wiese, American Tapes, Dischord Records and more. Also, for some reason we spend 20 minutes talking about our abiding love of the Gap, band merch and how to dress when you don't actually see people IRL.