Extract from an interview with Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò on April 30, 2025

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On April 30, 2025, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò gave an interview on a current issue. In order to highlight the relevant facts, we have prepared a couple of additional questions, which we present here with thematic additions from the text of the interview.
Does the deep state interfere in the government of the Church?
Archbishop Viganò states on this subject: “If we were not talking about the Church – or, to be more precise, the Vatican – but rather about any sovereign nation, the evidence of a coup d’état would not be questioned by anyone. On the other hand, we know that the deep state has interfered several times in the government of many different nations, and that it continues to do so through its emissaries. Just in the past few days, Cardinal Burke has denounced the attempt of ‘President’ Macron to put pressure on the college of cardinals to prevent the election of a conservative pope...”
How is the hierarchy complicit?
Archbishop Viganò testifies: “The part of the hierarchy that is complicit in this subversive operation uses ‘virtual’ dissent – as the Archbishop makes clear, it is the dissent of subversive, so-called progressive groups against the Magisterium – to legitimize reforms that no one is asking for: female priesthood, legitimization of sodomy, apparent democratization of authority through the ‘synodalization’ of the monarchical papacy, etc. Everything is therefore based on the false premise that there is a problem, which can be remedied with the solution offered.”
How has the deep state interfered in the Catholic Church?
Archbishop Viganò says: “Such interference in the government of the Catholic Church reached the point of theorizing the need to replace the then-reigning Pontiff, Benedict XVI, with an emissary of the deep state who would carry out its subversive plan. And that is exactly what actually happened shortly thereafter: Benedict XVI was forced to resign; Jorge Mario Bergoglio was elected at the 2013 ‘conclave’; and this Argentine Jesuit actually carried out the orders he had received. ... All of the protagonists of the coup belonged to the pedophile elite: from Obama to McCarrick...”
How can we assess the coup in the Church on a global scale?
Archbishop Viganò comments on this: “This coup is part of a wider global coup organized by the subversive lobby of the woke left (on the ideological front) and the World Economic Forum (on the financial front). Its aim is the destruction of every form of resistance against the establishment of the New World Order, the establishment of governments totally controlled by an elite of technocrats, and the establishment of a new Religion of Humanity that gives doctrinal and moral foundations to the globalist dystopia. In the minds of these criminals devoted to the Antichrist – because it is the kingdom of the Antichrist that we are talking about – Bergoglio was to be the first ‘pope’ of the new ecumenical and synodal church prepared since Vatican II.”
What should be known not only by American Catholics?
The Archbishop advises: “I remind Catholics that one of the most effective tools to coerce their Pastors consists in allocating their financial offerings only to those Dioceses and communities in which they are truly given the possibility of remaining Catholic. When Their Excellencies find themselves without the money of the faithful on the one hand and without government funding from USAID on the other, they will be forced to choose to do anyway what should have been their duty right from the beginning.”
What is the purpose of Freemasonry?
The Archbishop says: “The purpose of Freemasonry – and therefore of the New World Order – is the cancellation of Christ through the cancellation of Christian society, Christian culture, Christian civilization and, obviously, the Catholic religion. Satan does not accept the defeat inflicted on him by Our Lord on Golgotha and, unable to defeat the One who has already defeated him forever, he takes revenge on men, trying to drag as many as possible to Hell. In order to erase the presence of Christ from the life of each of us, Satan must act on multiple fronts: the public and the private, that of the family and that of education, that of culture and entertainment, of science and finance.”
What was the purpose of the Second Vatican Council?
Archbishop Viganò responds: “The Second Vatican Council served exactly this purpose: undermining traditional principles and insinuating into the Catholic Church the revolutionary principles against which the Church had always strenuously fought.”
What to say about Jorge Mario Bergoglio?
Archbishop Viganò says: “Bergoglio demonstrated his total extraneity from the Roman papacy not only in doctrinal, moral, and liturgical aspects. In the Vatican he was known for his furious tantrums and the scurrilous expressions he resorted to. Every gesture of Bergoglio was designed to cause embarrassment and scandal... He was the preacher of religious indifferentism, of moral relativism, of the pauperist claims of the ‘Amazonian church,’ and of the LGBTQ lobby.”
Did American Catholics understand the difference between what Bergoglio represents and what the Catholic Church represents?
The Archbishop stated: “When Bergoglio opened his mouth, he spoke like the ventriloquist of Davos. His condemnations were not Catholic condemnations, just as his endorsements of dictators, criminals, abortionists, and perverts of all kinds did not represent a Catholic approval. ... American Catholics understood this very well, voting for Trump despite the propaganda of the Jesuits, the USCCB, and self-styled ‘Catholic’ NGOs.”
What was Bergoglio’s relation to Vatican II?
Archbishop Viganò testifies: “Bergoglio has taken the principles of Vatican II to their extreme consequences. For this reason, Bergoglio has always proudly considered himself a faithful executor of the Council.”
What was the greatest damage Bergoglio did?
The Archbishop says: “The greatest damage Bergoglio did was through the appointments he made: the entire Roman Curia and the Episcopal Conferences are now infested with his courtiers, protected by the McCarrick clique and the Jesuits. This subversive lobby has thrown off its mask, and this has opened the eyes of many people who are no longer willing to ratify the decisions of an authority that answers neither to God nor to the ecclesial body.”
What will be the consequences if it turns out that the 2013 Conclave was manipulated?
The Archbishop states: “To resolve the current crisis, it is first necessary to investigate the interference that occurred in the 2013 Conclave, to ascertain whether Bergoglio’s election was manipulated by the American deep state and the Saint Gallen Mafia. If this in fact happened, then Bergoglio was never validly elected as pope, and therefore the current number of 136 cardinal-electors would drop to 28, that is, only those cardinals created by John Paul II and Benedict XVI.”