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May 12, 2025 The Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
What really happened on October 7th? What does it reveal about Israel, Hamas, the West—and the future of civilization?

In this gripping and deeply disturbing conversation, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with author and journalist Douglas Murray about his newest book, "On Democracies and Death Cults: Israel and the Future of Civilization." Together, they walk through the harrowing details of the Hamas invasion of Israel, the unprecedented October 7th terrorist attacks, and the shocking moral inversion that followed in Western media, academia, and public discourse.

Douglas Murray is a journalist and bestselling author of 7 books. His latest publication is the international bestseller, The War On The West. His previous book, The Madness of Crowds, was a bestseller and ‘book of the year’ for The Times and The Sunday Times. The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam, published in 2017, spent almost 20 weeks on The Sunday Times bestseller list and was a number 1 bestseller in non-fiction. Mr. Murray has been a contributor to The Spectator since 2000 and has been associate editor at the magazine since 2012. He is a columnist for The New York Post, The Free Press, The Sun, The Telegraph, and contributes regularly to National Review and numerous other outlets.

This episode was filmed on May 2nd, 2025.

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For Douglas Murray:

Douglas’s latest book, “On Democracies and Death Cults: Israel and the Future of Civilization” https://amzn.to/4mbOEqP

“The War on the West”
https://amzn.to/3F6Ki3N

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(0:00) Coming up
(0:56) Intro
(2:53) What really happened on October 7th
(12:36) How Gaza’s leaders spent billions in international aid
(19:01) The near impossibility of combatting a death cult
(30:52) How the world turned on Israel—the moral fall of academia
(40:56) Ivy-League students have become self loathing useful idiots
(48:53) The banality of evil, the psychology behind the worship of death
(1:04:16) What Murray saw in Gaza—how to radicalize two million civilians
(1:14:55) There is an answer to the death cults
(1:27:39) The precondition of Zion