Judge Napolitano – Prof. John Mearsheimer : An Istanbul Peace Conference?

May 15, 2025.

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Key Themes from the Interview

1. Istanbul Peace Conference: A Missed Opportunity?
Professor Mearsheimer discussed the potential of the Istanbul peace talks between Russia and Ukraine. He emphasized that the West, particularly NATO's expansion and the U.S.'s involvement, played a significant role in escalating tensions leading to the conflict. Mearsheimer argued that the West missed a crucial opportunity for peace by not supporting the Istanbul negotiations more robustly.

2. Lavrov's Perspective on Western Intentions
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov expressed skepticism about the West's desire for peace in Ukraine. He stated, "There is ample evidence that neither Berlin, nor Paris, nor Brussels — and especially not London — have any real desire for peace in Ukraine" . Mearsheimer concurred, suggesting that the West's actions indicate a preference for prolonging the conflict to weaken Russia.

3. Ukraine's and Russia's Interests in the War
Mearsheimer posited that it would be in Ukraine's best interest to seek a settlement to avoid further devastation. Conversely, he argued that Russia might benefit from prolonging the war to achieve its strategic objectives, especially if it perceives the West as unwilling to negotiate in good faith.

4. Implications for U.S. Defense Budget
The discussion touched on the U.S. defense budget, with Mearsheimer advocating for a more restrained foreign policy. He suggested that the U.S. should decrease its defense spending, particularly in regions like the Middle East, where he believes American interests are not directly threatened.

5. Syria's Strategic Significance
Mearsheimer reiterated his long-standing view that Syria holds limited strategic value for the U.S. He argued that American involvement in Syria has often exacerbated conflicts without serving clear national interests .

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6. Trump's Stance on Netanyahu and Middle East Policy
The conversation highlighted former President Donald Trump's evolving relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Mearsheimer noted that Trump appears increasingly frustrated with Netanyahu's policies, particularly regarding the Gaza conflict. Recent reports indicate that Trump has bypassed Israel in Middle East diplomacy, engaging directly with other regional players and expressing dissatisfaction with Netanyahu's approach .

Notable Quotes
Judge Napolitano: "If anything caused the war, as you say, it's NATO and Ukraine. Am I right?"

Prof. Mearsheimer: "Yes, the West's actions, particularly NATO's expansion, have significantly contributed to the current conflict."

Prof. Mearsheimer on Trump: "I think he is sick and tired of Netanyahu and he'd probably like to see the genocide end."

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