Name: EP130: Wish Dave Smith Was A Libertarian On Immigration - Gracearchy with Jim Babka
Uploaded: 2025-06-02T12:45:00+00:00
Duration: 43 min 48 s
Description: Dave Smith is a rising star, and he’s usually right. But in a recent debate with Alex Nowrasteh, his case for immigration restrictions raises big questions about what it really means to be a voluntary

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Dave Smith is a rising star, and he’s usually right. But in a recent debate with Alex Nowrasteh, his case for immigration restrictions raises big questions about what it really means to be a voluntaryist. In this episode, Jim Babka explores where property rights analysis usually works, and where it breaks down. He also **corrects himself!** on a point he made in a recent episode, and he explains why he now sees it differently. Along the way, you’ll hear Dave’s best argument, Alex’s most powerful line, and a fresh perspective on what principled liberty looks like.

REFERENCES
It was not episode 2, as said in the show. It was...
EP5: World Population with Stephen Barrows on Gracearchy with Jim Babka (AHO Network) https://youtu.be/IT2TsDljMnU

The Debate Resolution: "Government restrictions on the immigration of peaceful and healthy people make sense from a libertarian standpoint, especially in present-day America."

0:00 Theme
0:25 Is Dave Smith a libertarian
2:42 Libertarianism in the Resolution
5:12 Dave Smith Opening Statement
5:44 Strange definition of Voluntaryism
10:27 Borders are not the issue
12:08 Ellis Island is not libertarian
15:41 Okay, let's discuss government schools
23:17 Extreme hypothetical
24:18 First principles, freedom of people
25:40 Immigration is beneficial
28:38 The path to tyranny
32:06 Forced association solved by democracy?
32:45 Pragmatism
34:43 States don't have rights
36:36 You cannot vote away human rights
38:09 Capitalism proves Americans want immigrants
40:25 Anarcho-capitalist is not voluntaryist?
41:53 Real job-stealers and welfare recipients