Max Tegmark: Can We Prevent AI Superintelligence From Controlling Us?

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This is the full version of Jan Jekielek’s interview with Max Tegmark. The interview was originally released on Epoch TV on June 3, 2025.

Few people understand artificial intelligence and machine learning as well as MIT physics professor Max Tegmark. Founder of the Future of Life Institute, he is the author of “Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.”

“The painful truth that’s really beginning to sink in is that we’re much closer to figuring out how to build this stuff than we are figuring out how to control it,” he says.

Where is the U.S.–China AI race headed? How close are we to science fiction-type scenarios where an uncontrollable superintelligent AI can wreak major havoc on humanity? Are concerns overblown? How do we prevent such scenarios?

CHAPTER TITLES
0:00:00 - The Existential Warning: AI and Potential Human Extinction
0:00:22 - Introduction to Max Tegmark: An Expert on AI and Machine Learning
0:00:37 - The Painful Truth of AI Development and Control
0:01:05 - The Broader Context of AI's Rapid Growth
0:04:41 - Understanding the Turing Test and AI's Potential
0:07:27 - Information Bias and the Challenges of AI Learning
0:16:49 - Defining Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)
0:22:33 - The Alien Nature of Potential AI Minds
0:46:48 - The Compton Constant: Measuring AI Risk
0:55:12 - An Action Plan for Responsible AI Development
0:59:28 - Concluding Thoughts: Hope and Potential for Positive Technological Future