Steve Andrews on Boston 9/11 Truth 7/10/2025

Steve started working at the World Trade Center twin towers in the summer of 2001. He was an eyewitness to all the unusual security procedure changes, and the day of 9/11 itself.

He has an interesting back-story, too. Growing up, He had family and friend connections to the CIA. He was given a warning about "terrorism at the WTC" in May of 2001 by people with connections to CIA.

Incredibly, some of the people who knew his friends and family rose in ranks of the intelligence community presumably because of their complicity in 9/11 and especially the cover-up.
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18:40:12 Welcome, everybody, to Boston 9-11 Truth. Um, today is July 10th.
18:40:20 Uh, Thursday? And we have a very special speaker tonight, uh, Steve Andrews, who, um.
18:40:29 Was actually working in the World Trade Center on 9-11, but wasn't in the World Trade Center at the time.
18:40:40 Uh, but witnessed quite a bit, and that he will share with us.
18:40:44 Um, so before I turn it over to Steve, I just want to go through a quick disclaimer.
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18:41:37 Um, so during Steve's presentation. Uh, Steve, do you prefer Steve or Steven?
18:41:46 Steve is fine.
18:41:48 That's fine? Okay. Okay, so during his presentation, um, I….
18:41:56 I am insisting that all our participants abide by our guidelines.
18:42:01 Uh, which you should have read when I sent out this invitation.
18:42:06 Uh, during the entire meeting, all participants are to use polite decorum.
18:42:12 And are expected to be respectful of all other participants. No personal attacks are allowed. And of course, disagreement and debate are allowable, as long as the content, not the person.
18:42:27 Is confronted. Voices are to be kept at a speaking level of sound.
18:42:31 No shouting, and no one interrupts another person. So, the first part of our meeting is the guest speaker's presentation.
18:42:41 The presentation will be presented in full. Without interruption.
18:42:47 Everyone else will be muted. Uh, we are to treat the speaker with respect.
18:42:53 And, especially. If there is disagreement.
18:42:59 Um, so…. I will introduce Steve Andrews.
18:43:04 Um, he started at working at the World Trade Center, Twin Towers in the summer of 2001.
18:43:12 He was an eyewitness to the unusual security procedure. Changes, and the day of 9-11 itself.
18:43:22 He has an interesting backstory, too. Growing up, he had family and friend connections to the CIA.
18:43:30 He was given a warning. About, quote, terrorism at the WTC, end quote.
18:43:38 In May of 2001. By people with connections to the CIA.
18:43:45 Incredibly, some of the people who knew his friends and family rose in the ranks of the intelligence community.
18:43:54 Presumably because of their complicity in 9-11. And especially the cover-up.
18:44:00 So, take it away, Steve. Welcome! You need to mute yourself, yes.
18:44:09 Yeah, thank you, Susan. Uh, I hope everyone can hear me.
18:44:13 Um, please, uh, I'm a big user of the chat, so if anyone has a question or something, uh, while I'm doing this, just, uh, let me know.
18:44:21 Um, I'm gonna try to share my screen, I'm gonna show you two… just two slides real quick.
18:44:29 I was never good at these things, but…. I'm just gonna tell you what I witnessed myself.
18:44:35 Or what people told me. Maybe at the end, people can ask my opinions about things. I definitely have a lot of opinions about things, but uh….
18:44:46 For the most part, this is just a story of what actually happened that I witnessed myself.
18:44:52 Um, I'm trying to… heh…. You know, 2002, I was….
18:44:57 Frankly, censored from the internet. And only in the last couple months have I been able to, like, kind of relaunch a media presence. And I'll get into why that is.
18:45:06 Uh, so if anyone wants to follow me. Uh, I'm… I'm just starting this stuff up again.
18:45:12 So, yeah, I'm gonna give these disclaimers right up front. 9-11's one of the….
18:45:18 Most heavily documented events in history. I don't have any bombshell revelations.
18:45:24 Um, mostly, my story corroborates a…. Bunch of other people. Uh, I listed a couple of these, but also I forgot to mention, um….
18:45:35 Uh, the two guys from Fiduciary trust James Corbett and…. Or, I'm sorry, Mark Corbett and Scott Forbes.
18:45:42 Who are witness to the power downs. Um, and the other thing is, I gotta explain the CA thing, because it's hard to talk about this for a number of reasons.
18:45:53 Uh, people think…. You're, like, bragging about some sort of insider information or something. It's not like that at all.
18:45:59 I've never been, like, one of these people into, like, James Bond movies or Tom Clancy novels, or anything like that.
18:46:06 And I can assure you. That, uh….
18:46:10 The CIA is the only negative effects on my life. I wish I'd never met any of these people.
18:46:16 At all. So, just, you know, uh…. Keep that in mind here.
18:46:22 And also, you know, I've never worked for them. Uh….
18:46:30 I've never worked for them, I've never worked in any kind of a, like, clearance-type thing. I've tried to stay away from that as much as possible.
18:46:37 Everything I'm gonna give you here directly relates to. The forewarning of 9-11.
18:46:44 The day of 9-11 itself, or the cover-up of 9-11, even though.
18:46:48 Some of the stuff I didn't figure out for decades. So let me just give you a quick background.
18:46:56 I grew up in DC. My dad was in Navy intelligence. He had, like, you know, uh….
18:47:02 Meetings at the Pentagon twice a month. My brother-in-law.
18:47:06 Was Air Force Intelligence, and at some point. I believe I know the time period. He joined CIA.
18:47:15 When I was 15. Uh, there was an incident.
18:47:20 Uh, that led me to being introduced to this family, and I became.
18:47:26 Best friends, I would think. With the younger brother.
18:47:31 Like, I was 15, he was 17. His parents were, uh, divorced.
18:47:37 And he lived with his…. Mom, but when I first met him.
18:47:43 The first thing he does is take me to visit his dad, who is, uh, got this big, fancy Georgetown mansion, right?
18:47:50 And, uh, he tells me that his father is one of the top 100 officers in the CIA.
18:47:55 And, uh, there's a hundred, like. Program divisions in the CA. His father is, uh….
18:48:02 The director of one of those programs, making him the top 100.
18:48:06 Then he shows me a James Bond movie. Now, you know, I took this as, like, a kid bragging about his dad, right?
18:48:14 And for him to tell me that his father worked in the CIA was about as interesting as….
18:48:19 As if he had told me his dad worked at the post office, right? It just didn't mean anything to me.
18:48:25 Um, in fact. I dated this girl in high school, her mom worked on the space shuttle. That was, like, way cooler than, like, the CIA, which I didn't know what that was.
18:48:36 So, anyway, I could tell you a lot of interesting stories, but in any case.
18:48:40 We graduated high school, I'm still 16, I'm gonna take a year off.
18:48:45 He… he's, uh…. Got this apartment, uh, off campus, so I go live with him for that summer.
18:48:53 We do exactly what you would expect two teenage boys with no adult supervision to do.
18:48:58 And while we're there.
18:49:04 Uh, he is…. Involved in this project.
18:49:09 Let's say, call it a…. Project, right? And, um, he… where… like, where did he get this, and what are you doing, blah blah blah, and he tells me, oh.
18:49:20 This person so-and-so, and that person so-and-so. They're doing this thing for my dad.
18:49:26 Right? This would become significant 20 years later, but I would have no idea.
18:49:32 This would become very significant to the cover-up of 9-11. So this kid….
18:49:39 Knew the circle of people who were working for his father.
18:49:42 Right? Anyway, I go into college, he and I are friends on and off.
18:49:49 A couple interesting things in the late 90s that relate to this, but I'll skip that. Maybe I'll get into it later.
18:49:55 But in any case, so it's like, yeah, May…. May or June of 2001.
18:50:03 We are roommates again. We're both renting rooms from this guy.
18:50:09 And I tell them. I just got this great new job.
18:50:15 I'm gonna be moving to New York City, and uh, I'll be working right at the World Trade Center in the Twin Towers.
18:50:23 Um…. Okay, so let me explain how this guy was, right? He was, like, pretty charismatic.
18:50:29 Um, kind of the life of the party type. Kind of a ladies' man, frankly, very funny.
18:50:35 Very jovial. So, when he was, like, upset about something, or worried about something, it was real obvious.
18:50:42 And his demeanor just completely changed, and he started, like, pacing around.
18:50:46 And you're saying, why aren't you worried about terrorism? Which was, like, way out of left field.
18:50:53 Because he and I never talked about. Geopolitical events or anything like that, right?
18:51:01 Um, so it was a very unusual thing, and again, it would only later, a decade later, would some of this stuff start to make sense to me.
18:51:12 So, yeah, so June of 2001. Now, I had…. I have relatives that have lived in, uh.
18:51:18 Like, kind of the suburbs commuting distance in New York forever, and I had stayed with them on and off over the years, so I just….
18:51:25 Stayed with them temporarily. And I had to go do….
18:51:30 I mean, I hadn't gotten the job. I still had to do the interviews, but it was kind of made clear to me that as long as I didn't screw up the interviews, they wanted to hire me.
18:51:40 Right? So I was pretty much assured that. You know. Um, so I'm… so I moved there. I, uh….
18:51:49 I, uh… I go through a couple of the interviews, and then I get hired. My first day of work.
18:51:57 Was in the second week of July, it very well could have been the 10th, I'd have to go look.
18:52:02 But, uh… yeah, so I started, um…. I started working at this company, at the World Trade Center. I was a computer guy.
18:52:11 All I did was, like, computer programming stuff, and, like, you know, fixing the printers, uh….
18:52:16 Nothing super fancy. I did work on some….
18:52:21 Pretty heavy due to… heavy-duty…. Uh, financial software?
18:52:26 Um, but nothing, like. Yeah, nothing, like, fancy, just a regular… and also.
18:52:33 9-11 was almost 25 years ago. I was, like, in my mid-20s. This was, like, my first kind of big job out of college.
18:52:41 Um. So, yeah, I start working there, and I want to tell a funny anecdote of what happened before all the security procedure changes happened.
18:52:51 I don't believe in premonitions, per se, but this is a really crazy story.
18:52:57 So, at some point, I go to the mall, it's a weekend, and I go to the mall.
18:53:02 Uh, there's this… there's this big, huge underground mall under the towers, right? Under the whole complex. And I went to the Barnes & Noble.
18:53:09 And I bought a book, James Bamford's book. A body of secrets, a history of the national security.
18:53:18 Administration, the NSA. Um….
18:53:22 I'd known people who went to work for NSA, it was an interesting subject to me.
18:53:28 Um, I read that book. It's very unusual in that there's an appendix in it that includes.
18:53:35 The Operation Northwoods documents, which I'm sure probably a lot of people here are very familiar with Operation Northwoods, right? This plan that was given to….
18:53:45 President Kennedy to, like, stage false flag hijackings in order to start a war with Cuba.
18:53:51 It was odd to me. That this guy, Bamford, included that in his book about NSA, because that was before the NSA was even founded, from what I understand, and had nothing to do with the NSA at all. So, odd. It was odd.
18:54:05 So, one… one day, after I'd just been working there for a couple of weeks.
18:54:09 I go up to the windows on the world, I take a long lunch.
18:54:14 Again, I'm 25 years old, okay? I take a long lunch, I buy myself, like, a martini or something.
18:54:20 Up at the winners on the world, and I'm feeling like I'm the wolf of Wall Street, right?
18:54:24 And, uh, I swear, I have this premonition when I'm looking out the windows, like.
18:54:29 The view was amazing, right? You could almost see, like, the curvature of the Earth.
18:54:34 It was just unbelievable. I'd never seen anything like it. And I've been to all the major cities and all the….
18:54:40 Everyone's got their Skyview restaurant, right? I've been to all of them, but….
18:54:44 Nothing could compare to this. It was amazing. And I thought to myself, oh my god.
18:54:50 Could you imagine if a plane flew in a year? So, I don't know.
18:54:57 So, what happened is when things started to get weird, it was about.
18:55:02 August. I had just gone through… the first thing you have to do is you have to go through, get your security card, your badge, it opens the doors and everything.
18:55:15 Um…. You gotta get a form filled out by your boss.
18:55:19 Uh, you gotta take it down to the security office, they have to verbally verify over the phone, you show them two forms of ID, they take your picture, they look you up in some kind of database.
18:55:28 Etc. First time, it took maybe 20 minutes. And then in August.
18:55:34 We get this, uh…. Memo that says everyone in the entire Trade Center complex.
18:55:42 Uh, has to get new IDs. And my boss is really….
18:55:48 Teed off about this. Because, you know, it's just a waste of everyone's time, and everyone's already working and stuff.
18:55:54 So, since I'm the new guy, I only worked there for a couple weeks.
18:55:57 He tells me, you go right now, first person, go…. Get your new ID, and tell me how bad this is gonna be.
18:56:05 Right? Um…. I go down there, I'm there all morning until lunch. There's so many people in line.
18:56:12 I don't even believe they could have gotten everyone done before it happened. No way, I don't think.
18:56:20 You know, I have my reasons to…. Think about why those security procedures changes were being done, but….
18:56:26 You know, we'll see. Um….
18:56:31 About that time, or. Maybe it was before that.
18:56:36 We noticed, and my coworkers and I all talked about this, we noticed a bunch of external security procedure changes from the city.
18:56:46 There were always NYPD cars and trucks and vans parked everywhere, but all of a sudden, it was a really noticeable increase.
18:56:55 Close by, there was this, uh, like, a city parking lot for, like, only emergency and police vehicles.
18:57:03 It was half empty most of the time, but all of a sudden, every spot was taken.
18:57:08 There's… and we all talked about it, I talked with one of my coworkers specifically.
18:57:12 We're looking out the window, and I tell her. I was like, yeah, have you noticed all the new….
18:57:19 There's a new police presence, and she's a…. Yeah.
18:57:23 And I said, you know, I heard that there was some kind of terrorist threat or something.
18:57:28 And she tells me, oh god, don't say that, um, she had worked there for another company in 93 when it got bombed the first time.
18:57:37 And I don't know if she was in the building that got bombed, or the other one, but she described all, like, you know, being evacuated and stuff like that.
18:57:45 And God, her story, she was in the building when it happened. I'll get to her story later.
18:57:50 Um, but we all notice it and talked about all this external security.
18:57:55 Okay, THEN…. There was the infamous.
18:58:00 Power downs. Fiduciary trust, Scott Forbes, Mark Corbett have both talked about this. We got….
18:58:08 A memo. Well, the first I heard about it. Okay, first, I was told….
18:58:15 First, I was told that, uh…. They were upgrading the internet cabling.
18:58:21 Which didn't make any sense, because as far as I know, no one.
18:58:25 Shared internet cabling, I don't know. But then, that was a mistake when I actually got the memo, they said it was, like.
18:58:31 Electricity upgrades. Now, my boss went ballistic over this. Okay, absolutely ballistic.
18:58:42 Because…. This was a… okay, this would be a darkly humorous joke that my coworkers would tell.
18:58:51 The year… in the year later. When they first moved into the World Trade Center.
18:58:57 They were aware of the bombing, so they at least. They lease floors in both buildings.
18:59:04 One is their backup. The joke being that, like. They might get one, but they won't get the other.
18:59:12 Well, my boss goes ballistic about this power down. Power down one weekend.
18:59:17 And then in the second tower the other weekend. And, uh.
18:59:22 You know, these guys had very sophisticated computer systems. It's not like….
18:59:28 Rebooting your laptop. Um, you have to have a team of people to do it.
18:59:33 It's a whole project, so my…. Bosses running around cursing his head off.
18:59:39 About this power-down thing, so is everybody else.
18:59:46 Then…. And, uh, I have to say thank you to Gene and Sandra.
18:59:50 For pointing this out, I didn't realize the significance of this, but uh….
18:59:56 About the Thursday before. Which I believe is the same….
19:00:02 One day, they took the bomb-sniffing dogs out. Okay, so here's how it was, right? Again, I'm a young guy.
19:00:07 I would go to this dive bar. A couple blocks away.
19:00:13 Because I had this thing for the bartender, right? So I would, like, leave my bag and my briefcase, and my laptop and stuff. I'd leave it at the office.
19:00:20 I go hang out at this bar for an hour or two, and then I come back.
19:00:23 I had 24-hour, 7-day-a-week access in both towers. Um….
19:00:31 And I would come back. I did this, again, 2 or 3 times a week.
19:00:35 Right? And then all of a sudden, that Thursday, I think it was.
19:00:39 I go in, and it's like 8 o'clock, it's not even really super late or anything.
19:00:44 And all of a sudden, my access is cut off. And….
19:00:50 Just out of curiosity. Uh, I go to the other tower, the backup.
19:00:55 You know, the backup for, and I can't get in there either. I didn't know what happened.
19:01:01 Um…. I don't know, maybe they fired me or something, they didn't tell me?
19:01:05 But, uh, so I just, uh… I just got home and come in the next day, and honestly, I just sort of forgot about it.
19:01:15 So, yeah, that was, like, the summer of 2001.
19:01:24 A bunch of these weird security procedure changes. External and internal.
19:01:29 The weird ID security changes, uh, the bumps, sniffing dogs being removed, my access.
19:01:35 The power downs, all of it. Like, most of it has been on….
19:01:38 A lot of people have talked about this before. Um, but I just saw the whole thing.
19:01:44 So, I guess, like, the day of 9-11. Again, like, I don't have any bombshell revelations.
19:01:54 Everybody's seen all the videos, and everyone here, I'm sure, has seen all the testimonies.
19:02:00 So, uh, it's just… it's crazy, right? Um…. I was on the subway on my way to work.
19:02:07 And I'd met up with a coworker, and he and I were sitting next to each other on the train, and then we get to a transfer point.
19:02:15 And I tell them, I'll catch up with you. I'm gonna go smoke a cigarette.
19:02:21 Right. So I'll catch up with you. So he was, like, two trains ahead of me, I think.
19:02:26 He got it real bad. Um… so….
19:02:31 I think we had just pulled in, or were just about to pull in, to the Trade Center.
19:02:38 Station. When the car stops and the lights go out.
19:02:44 And, you know, everyone's moaning, then the lights come back on, then they go out again.
19:02:50 Then they come back on, and the train starts going in reverse.
19:02:53 And they back up, like, a couple of stations. And then the announcer says.
19:02:58 There's been an accident at the World Trade Center. Exit the train, exit the platform.
19:03:06 So everyone gets out of the train. We go… we're basically now we're on the sidewalk.
19:03:11 Now, we're far enough away. That I was never in any physical danger from when the buildings blew up.
19:03:18 Even though I knew a lot of people who were. Um, but we could see everything.
19:03:23 Right, so we're in this crowd of people. And you can see smoke coming out of the one building.
19:03:29 And I think you could see the hole in it, but you could see, you know, there was a fire.
19:03:33 And of course, my first impression was. There was a bomb.
19:03:39 Uh, oh, I just talked to some… there's a whole crowd of us, we're all trying to call people on our cell phones, none of the cell phones work.
19:03:46 Um, I talked to this guy next to me, and he says.
19:03:51 When I say what? Like, what happened? And he said there was a… there was an airplane that hit it. And I was like, that's crazy, right?
19:04:00 So, I don't know what it was, we're sitting… standing there in the crowd, no one can call anyone.
19:04:06 Uh, and then…. People start murmuring in the crowd.
19:04:11 And then everyone starts pointing, and we can see a plane.
19:04:16 Uh… it's coming in fast! And, uh.
19:04:22 If it gets close enough, you can hear it. And then, boom, right in the side of the building.
19:04:27 Right? And everyone in the crowd now is, like, screaming and yelling. The cell phones still don't work.
19:04:33 Uh, there was, like, one payphone, they used to have those back in the day.
19:04:38 Uh, there was, like, one pay fund on the corner, and, like, 20 people were lined up, but I don't even think that was working.
19:04:43 And nobody knows what to think. Right? But I figure two planes, I thought, oh, this must be, like, a war, like….
19:04:52 Like, America's under attack or something, right? So, I don't know what it was, 45 minutes, or whatever?
19:05:02 And then, we're just standing there in that crowd, nobody can call anybody, and then the one building just blows up.
19:05:10 And… you know, I probably… I… you know, somewhere between that and then the second one, which was, like, what, half hour later, I think? 45 minutes later?
19:05:19 We're just standing there in disbelief, in shock, frankly. As you watch this entire building blow up.
19:05:26 And then the second one blows up. And then, look, I was a truther.
19:05:30 From that minute, like, I just…. I mean, there was never any doubt in my mind. I didn't know the term….
19:05:38 Quote, control demolition. I did….
19:05:44 Didn't understand… I don't think I'd ever heard that term before.
19:05:47 To me, the way I characterized it was there were bombs in the building, right? And.
19:05:53 Honestly, for, like, months afterwards, I was kind of expecting the government to come out and say.
19:05:59 Oh, yeah, you know, Al-Qaeda had infiltrated the security team, and they put bombs above… that would have been, like, believable to me, right?
19:06:07 And I was really surprised. That they never did that.
19:06:13 So, uh…. So, uh….
19:06:20 I mean, I don't know, in a sense, that's kind of like the Trade Center story, but like….
19:06:25 The rest of the story, honestly, is almost more interesting. It's been a long time, almost 25 years.
19:06:32 This is a historical event now. A lot of the people that I knew or knew me, or my friends and my family, they're….
19:06:40 Dead, or, uh, retired? Uh… so I can, like, talk about a little bit more of this than I could before.
19:06:49 So, everybody's calling everybody else, obviously. I'm in panic, terrified about, like.
19:06:57 You know, my coworkers at all. Eventually….
19:07:04 Actually…. You can get through to voicemail, so you could send people… I don't know what time this was, what, noon maybe?
19:07:11 You could send people voicemails, but you couldn't make a connection on the cell phone, so… but you could get to people's voicemails.
19:07:16 So, I've got a bunch of voicemails from people, and I'm leaving a bunch for other people.
19:07:20 And, like, the first… the first person to call me. Surprisingly, was that guy.
19:07:26 The guy whose dad was in the CIA, who had given me that warning.
19:07:33 He sounded really, truly panicked. He sounded truly concerned for me.
19:07:41 Um…. I don't know what he was doing up so early, because he was on the west coast at that point.
19:07:48 Huh, interestingly enough. I'm able to send him a voicemail back, and I'm just like, yeah, yeah, I'm okay, I'll let you know about everyone else, etc.
19:07:59 I talked to some other people. You start to be… I got some….
19:08:03 I got…. You know, that coworker that I was on the subway with.
19:08:09 That had just gotten on the train before me. Like, I was the most worried about him.
19:08:15 But finally. I got a voicemail from him.
19:08:20 Uh… you know, saying that he was okay, but he was, like, covered in dust and everything else.
19:08:25 He was like, I think…. I think he said he was, uh….
19:08:33 Like, going up the stairs or something, when the…. When the first plane hit.
19:08:39 And, uh…. Was somewhere in the complex when the second plane hit, and then they started to evacuate, but uh….
19:08:47 Yeah, he was just, like, a couple blocks away. They hid in, like, the… they hid in, like, the, uh….
19:08:53 Walk-in freezer at some restaurant they just broke into, and…. It's crazy, the stories he tells me.
19:09:00 Um, that woman that my coworker. She was at her desk.
19:09:08 When the first plane hit. And, um….
19:09:14 There was an announcement over the intercom that said, oh, there's been an accident.
19:09:20 Uh… state… stay at your desks. Right? And she and all the rest of the co-workers said.
19:09:28 Hell no, whatever's going on, we're getting out of here.
19:09:34 She told me immediately thereafter that the lobby of the building….
19:09:40 I… I can't even… I have to look up which building it was, but this is on the Nalday Brothers film, which I'm sure people are familiar with.
19:09:49 Uh, called World Trade Center. You know, that was supposed to be kind of the, uh….
19:09:55 That was, like, the big propaganda thing they were gonna push, but they….
19:10:00 They really buried it quickly, because it…. Raise more questions than it answered.
19:10:04 In any case, she said the lobby had been bombed out.
19:10:08 That windows were broken. That that's what she had said. She thought that a bomb had gone off in the lobby.
19:10:16 Um…. Uh….
19:10:22 What's interesting is, uh…. Then, I get a call about… another voicemail from that guy.
19:10:30 And he tells me that he's given my phone number to….
19:10:36 A man that we knew, that we both knew. Um, who was a journalist.
19:10:42 A prize-winning journalist at a major U.S. Newspaper. And he's gonna, like, interview me. He wants… he wants to do an interview or something.
19:10:52 Um…. Then that guy calls me and leaves a message.
19:10:57 Uh… my first instinct…. Uh, was to, uh….
19:11:05 I wanted to be like, oh yeah, by the way, there are power downs, oh yeah, by the way, the security procedure changes, they must have had bombs in the building.
19:11:13 And then, you know, honestly, I thought to myself. I might not be allowed to….
19:11:25 Yeah, I wasn't the type to try to become a…. Celebrity anyway.
19:11:31 So, I was very hesitant, and I just never called the guy, and just.
19:11:37 Dropped it. We were, uh….
19:11:43 We were at home…. Basically, just everyone was just telecommuting, calling for the next two weeks until they found, uh….
19:11:51 Uh, temporary offices. Uh, and then we started working. Yeah, you know, I think I mentioned this on a previous call, but um….
19:12:02 And someone had mentioned that, uh, James Corbett's. A documentary about the financial stuff, about 9-11 mentioned this, but uh….
19:12:11 I heard this from coworkers. There were people at that company.
19:12:17 A lot of people at that company knew people who worked at Cantor Fitzgerald.
19:12:21 There were a lot of people who had worked at Cannon Fitzgerald that went to work at this company.
19:12:26 They had, like, an existing type of business relationship. Um… there was a meeting that was… this is just what I heard, right?
19:12:36 Again, this is not, uh…. I'm not quote-unquote doing my own research, I'm just telling you what I was told.
19:12:44 I was told by my coworkers. That there was a last-minute emergency meeting set up.
19:12:50 And a number of people from a number of different. Financial companies, broadly, like everything, banks, insurance.
19:12:59 Brokers, uh…. Uh, reinsurance, everything, right?
19:13:06 I don't know what the…. Obviously, this is way, way, way above my pay grade, I just heard about it from people.
19:13:13 And the person who apparently called that meeting apparently didn't show up.
19:13:19 Uh…. You know, there were a number of people.
19:13:22 You know, we all… obviously, like Larry Silverstein. Uh, the guy from Cantor Fitzgerald.
19:13:29 Uh, Lutnik, I think his name was, he was the CEO, he didn't show up, but his brother died, so, you know, I can't imagine him….
19:13:37 You know. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
19:13:42 There were definitely people…. Well, I don't know this, I'm just saying, is I definitely believe that there was a lot of foreknowledge, and a lot of people were warned, but….
19:13:53 I don't know that personally. For a fact, that's just, like, you know, research, or whatever.
19:14:01 Um….
19:14:06 I don't know, I guess, really, that's the story of 9-11.
19:14:10 But… honestly, like. The next couple… okay, I lived in Manhattan for 10 years after that. I talked to a lot of eyewitnesses.
19:14:19 Everybody had a story. Um….
19:14:25 And there are a couple things I discovered over the years, again, like, personal discoveries, that have absolutely to do with the cover-up.
19:14:33 And, you know what, frankly, if you guys have been in the 9-11 Truth Movement for a long time, I might actually be able to provide you a little bit of insight.
19:14:42 About some of the pushback you have likely received over the years.
19:14:48 But let me, uh, let me tell you one more…. Let me tell you one more thing that happened right….
19:14:55 Right afterwards. So that December. For Christmas, and I go down to DC.
19:15:01 To visit my family, and an old-school buddy of mine invites me to a party.
19:15:07 Uh, it's all a bunch of military guys at this party, all young couples in their 20s.
19:15:13 Half the women were there by themselves, because their husbands had already deployed.
19:15:16 But, like, 20-something, early 30s, right? And my friend tells me, oh, you know, you gotta meet this guy, he was a witness to the Pentagon.
19:15:25 You gotta share your stories. Um, so I'm just gonna tell you what this guy told me at the time.
19:15:32 Okay? He was military family, he was at Arlington National Cemetery, right next to the Pentagon.
19:15:43 International Cemetery. With his brand new fancy digital camera that, back in those days were, like, $1,000 or $2,000 or something.
19:15:51 He was visiting the grave of… I don't remember if it was his father or his grandfather, and making, like, official memorial photos for, you know.
19:16:00 Family stuff. Um, and he….
19:16:04 Notices a plane. He did not describe anything about the plane to me, he just said a plane.
19:16:09 He notices a plane coming, and he knows enough that it's in restricted airspace.
19:16:13 So we start snapping pictures of it. Uh, he also told me that following the plane was a C-130 cargo plane.
19:16:26 Um, that was just tailing this other plane. Then he says.
19:16:31 Uh, the… he didn't… I don't believe he used the term corkscrew turn. That's used often, but he did mention some kind of maneuver.
19:16:39 That the plane did, and then he said the plane…. Hit the Pentagon, and then this C-130 cargo plane veered off.
19:16:48 And kept going. 10 years later.
19:16:53 I would, uh, well, just a couple years later, I would find out that 10 years afterwards.
19:16:59 The pilot of that C-130. Did an interview, it's on YouTube still, and I think Gene posted it in one of the chats.
19:17:07 A couple weeks ago. Um, he had been, like, contacted by the FAA or the military or something, said, you know, we don't have any… we don't have any planes in this area, this plane, something's wrong, we don't know if it's….
19:17:21 Damaged… or what's going on with the…. It's not, you know, it's not following procedures. Can you go just make visual….
19:17:28 Contact with it. So that's what he did. Um, so it's just funny that years later, that weird little detail, which never made sense to me when I told people about it, they were like, no, no, no, you must be mistaken.
19:17:41 But apparently, no, it was a real thing. They had…. You know, why NORAD wasn't following them? Hey, well, that's up for debate, but….
19:17:49 They got some random C-130 guy. To follow this plane.
19:17:55 Then this guy told me that the FBI shows up. Confiscates his camera. He told me….
19:18:01 That he swapped a SIM cards, figuring that they might do that, and he still had all these pictures.
19:18:09 The internet was kind of new at the time. I told him, oh man, you know, you gotta….
19:18:15 Like, you know, you got to put this online or something. People need to see this, and….
19:18:21 He was just like, no, I wouldn't want to do that. It might jeopardize national security.
19:18:25 I mean, I guess in a sense, he was, like, a true believer, I guess, you know?
19:18:31 Um…. I, uh….
19:18:37 Before… okay, but…. Before I get back into the sea ice story, and how this stuff got covered up.
19:18:42 I want to tell you one interesting anecdote about living in Manhattan.
19:18:46 In that time period. Okay, so….
19:18:55 My… my wife was, like, a big-time Democrat. Like, she's the only person I've ever known in my life that actually really liked Hillary Clinton, for whatever reason.
19:19:04 Um, so we would go to these, like, uh, Democratic Party.
19:19:09 Okay, okay, let me explain. Like, I was never really political.
19:19:14 In that election, I voted for Ralph Nader for trade policy.
19:19:17 Which is, like, the nerdiest, wonkiest thing you could do, right?
19:19:21 I did not like Al Gore because of… he was the big NAFTA free trade guy, and Bush, I didn't know anything about Bush. I didn't….
19:19:28 I didn't hate him. I was not, like, anti-Bush. He just seemed like a typical….
19:19:33 You know, conservative Republican to me. But, I mean, after 9-11.
19:19:37 Oh yeah, frickin' hated his guts. I… I was, like, a huge anti-Bush guy back in those days.
19:19:44 You know, I was posting all over the internet, oh, they must have known. We called it LIHOP versus MyHop back in those days.
19:19:51 I've been banned from so many form… early internet forms back in the 2000s because of this.
19:19:58 In any case, I gotta tell you this…. Like, I gotta tell you this one story.
19:20:03 Because it really, really says something about the…. Social environment at the time.
19:20:12 She and I attend…. A fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee.
19:20:17 It's at this big, fancy hotel in Manhattan. Um, there's two fundraisers, basically. Okay, there's the main one that's the big banquet hall, that's, like, $10,000 a plate, obviously not we're getting… we're not getting into that one.
19:20:31 Right? Uh, Hillary Clinton was there. Uh, John Kerry was there.
19:20:36 Jonathan Edwards… Edwards was there. I believe….
19:20:42 Obama was almost certainly there, but no one knew who he was. He was just about to get introduced.
19:20:47 Later… a year later. Um, instead, we were… we were, uh….
19:20:54 We were across the hall. In a smaller room, um, for the young Democrats meeting. And you have to understand, when they say young Democrats or young Republicans, they mean under 40.
19:21:05 Right? They're not that young. But yeah, it's like…. A bunch of couples in their 20s and 30s.
19:21:10 It's 100 bucks a ticket. Open bar, you know, hors d'oeuvres and stuff.
19:21:17 Uh, and the guest speaker was Wes Clark. I actually want a meeting with Wes Clark. Not meeting, like, shaking his hands, right?
19:21:28 Uh… three… at least 3 or 4 times, and I met a son once or twice who was….
19:21:33 A coordinator for his campaign. Um.
19:21:38 Yeah, so… and I kind of was a fan of Wes Clark, because he seemed like he was the most, uh….
19:21:45 Credible on military stuff to defeat Bush, frankly. That's all I was interested in.
19:21:50 Right? Um…. Okay, so… okay.
19:21:58 So, my wife had just gone onto the internet. Charged 200 bucks on her credit card, and given….
19:22:06 Them are names. We show up at the hotel, they've got the reception table.
19:22:10 You know, she says, oh, okay, this is me, and this is him.
19:22:14 And they look up our names on the list, and they check them off, and they let us in.
19:22:19 This is at a time period, okay, when the subways have got these….
19:22:24 Sign saying, like, if you see something, say something. Any unattended package.
19:22:29 You know, you've got to report to the police. The television is saying, everybody is saying, oh, it's inevitable, we're gonna get hit again.
19:22:36 It's inevitable, it's definitely gonna happen. Everyone's on their guard, everyone's paranoid.
19:22:41 And my… okay, so my wife is hitting the line pretty hard, right? Okay, and she starts talking about this.
19:22:48 And she's mad. She's like…. She's like, they didn't check us, they didn't check our IDs?
19:22:54 They didn't check my purse. I could have a gun in here? What if somebody had a suicide vest, they could walk right across the hall into that….
19:23:04 Build into that banquet hall, and kill, like, 2 or 3 top-level Democratic politicians.
19:23:09 And, I mean, she was right, like, I…. I totally agreed with her.
19:23:14 So, the funniest thing happens. She sees Terry McAuliffe across the room.
19:23:23 Terry McAuliffe, at the time. Was the chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
19:23:28 And he was kind of known as Clinton's corporate bag man.
19:23:32 He would later on become the governor of Virginia. Um.
19:23:39 So she goes up and basically accosts this guy, and she's like.
19:23:43 Oh my god, oh my god, there's not enough security at this event. I could have a gun in my purse.
19:23:52 And I'm like…. Unlike always, wetting myself, figuring, oh god, like, the Secret Service is gonna come out now.
19:23:59 But Terry McAuliffe isn't a politician mood, and he's like. Oh, yeah, no, I'm really sorry about that. I'll definitely talk to someone about security.
19:24:07 I just bring up that anecdote. Because it just shows that they weren't.
19:24:13 They weren't worried. The top levels…. Of one of the major political parties are holding the Shinding in Manhattan, letting crazy women like my ex-wife in.
19:24:24 Um, with no vetting, no security, they weren't worried about. Al-qaeda. They really just weren't.
19:24:29 Apparently not, you know? And I saw multiple things like this.
19:24:34 You know, elite people, rich people in Manhattan never had a worry about any of this stuff. That was strictly for, like.
19:24:41 The public. Now. I want to get to the part about the cover-up.
19:24:46 Okay, because I think this is unintuitive to a lot of people. It was very unintuitive to me.
19:24:52 But I gotta say. This is a very dark and ugly subject.
19:24:58 9-11 killed 3,000 people almost immediately. The wars are still ongoing.
19:25:06 Millions of people have died. Horrific atrocities are done. We're done.
19:25:12 And are ongoing. Now, I'm gonna try to….
19:25:16 Be as euphemistic as possible, but some of this stuff is important to understand the story, okay?
19:25:23 So, I don't really talk to this guy. The CIA guy, the guy whose dad was in the CIA. I don't… I don't really talk to him, um….
19:25:31 Uh, until about 2003, in which. My wife and I attend his wedding.
19:25:39 Uh, this time, I'm the one hitting the champagne really hard, and I spend the whole time in the corner.
19:25:45 Talking to his older brother. About 9-11, saying, oh my god, the government must have known.
19:25:51 Oh my god, they must have had bombs in the building, I think this, I think that.
19:25:56 Et cetera, et cetera. And I think this is when I first got on the naughty list.
19:26:02 I don't remember saying this. But I'm thinking to myself, I almost certainly said to him.
19:26:09 Hey, man, wasn't your dad in the CIA? What does he think about this? I'm almost certain I did.
19:26:14 What I would come to find out, okay. It wasn't just his dad that was in the CIA.
19:26:21 There were probably future executive deputy or even directors of Central Intelligence at that wedding.
19:26:27 And I would come to find out that those people were far more connected and far more broadly connected.
19:26:33 Than I ever realized. And holy… crap.
19:26:38 What I find out a couple years later. When I really stepped in it.
19:26:44 I have one more anecdote about…. Manhattan.
19:26:50 In about. 6….
19:26:54 My wife and I attended, like, a Ron Paul meetup. Um….
19:27:01 And I get in… I start talking… I spend the whole time talking to this FDNY guy.
19:27:07 Firefighter, okay? He was a young… he was young. Um, I think he was on the force when 9-11 happened, but he wasn't, like, at Ground Zero or anything, but he knew a lot of people that were.
19:27:18 He was related to people who died, etc. He just told me two interesting stories, and one of which I would come to understand the significance of.
19:27:27 Later. When we get to the Susan Lindauer part. Um.
19:27:35 Well, one thing this guy told me, I'm sure everyone knows this story about Giuliani and the FDNY radios.
19:27:41 He told me there was a conspiracy in FDNY back in those days to literally assassinate Giuliani in revenge for whatever the controversy was with the radios. I… I….
19:27:51 I don't know the details, I know a little bit about it.
19:27:54 Some of you guys probably know more about it than me.
19:27:56 But, like, this guy wasn't kidding. It may have been drunk talk, short, but, like.
19:28:01 These people were real, real mad at Giuliani. He also told me something real interesting.
19:28:07 It's an ugly subject, but it's important, okay? He told me there was a lot of high-ranking guys in FDNY that all of a sudden got a 20-year-old Russian girlfriend's.
19:28:18 That year. And when we get to Susan Lundau and Richard Fuse.
19:28:24 Oh my god, like…. You wouldn't believe it.
19:28:29 In any case. So, I don't see this guy….
19:28:36 Okay. I basically don't see this guy….
19:28:40 From 9-11 until 2007. With the exception of seeing him at that wedding.
19:28:46 Okay? In about 2007. And this date will become significant, but I did… very significant to cover up of 9-11, but I wouldn't understand this until years later.
19:28:57 In 2007, he sends me an email or calls or something and says, hey, me and my new girlfriend.
19:29:04 We're in town for one night, we're flying out in the morning out of JFK.
19:29:08 Uh, let's go have drinks. So, my wife and I and her girlfriend, and uh….
19:29:15 He and his girlfriend go out, and the ladies are all chatting at the table.
19:29:18 And he and I are at the bar, drinking a beer.
19:29:21 They only stayed for maybe a half hour. And then….
19:29:26 As he's leaving, the last thing he says to me is.
19:29:29 Listen, you're not allowed to talk about me. You better never talk about me.
19:29:37 Don't forget, I know stuff about you. And then he leaves, never hear from him again.
19:29:44 I had no idea what the hell that was all about, but I would come to find out a couple years later.
19:29:52 The significance of that date. In 2007, a very significant CIA officer.
19:30:00 When on television. And quote-unquote, blew the whistle.
19:30:07 About the so-called enhanced interrogation program. The enhanced interrogation program was used to get false confessions for 9-11.
19:30:18 And it's even uglier than that. So, uh….
19:30:26 Couple more years go by. This is important to the… my wife and I split up.
19:30:32 Uh, at some point. In this time period, I open a YouTube channel.
19:30:38 And I buy a video camera. And I'm gonna make myself into one of these, like, Luke Radowski We Are Change types.
19:30:45 Right? But I quickly come to realize that that is, like, not my personality.
19:30:51 Right? Um…. So, you know.
19:30:57 At some point, I just decided to move. I was kind of like, uh.
19:31:01 I didn't like living in New York City anymore, I was single.
19:31:03 I didn't want to live in New York City anymore, I kind of hated my job. I quit. I moved….
19:31:09 I, uh, I moved, and I stayed with my elderly retired parents for a summer, right?
19:31:14 And, um, I'm helping my dad clean out the gar… and I start a blog, okay?
19:31:21 Uh, I write about all sorts of stuff, I never took it seriously. It had, like, a funny handle. I wrote, like, comedy and parody.
19:31:27 Like, the onion-type stuff, right? Some serious stuff. I wrote about 9-11 seriously.
19:31:33 Um, but I'm helping my dad clean out of the garage, and he's going through his old files, he gives me a newspaper clipping about that incident.
19:31:43 Where I had first met those people, right? And I hadn't thought about this in 20 years, right?
19:31:48 And then, I swear to God, just complete coincidence. There's an article in the Washington Post.
19:31:57 That names a bunch of that guy's friends, or the people that he told me about that were involved in that project.
19:32:03 Working for his dad, so-and-so and so-and-so. These people are rising through the ranks in the intelligence community.
19:32:13 Some of them are on… if you look up the right Wikipedia pages, they're, technically speaking, public figures.
19:32:20 Even though no one ever talks about it, or…. Knows anything about them.
19:32:26 They mention that project, but no one knows it was CIA, and….
19:32:31 Nobody knows that these people were working for the CA way back then.
19:32:36 Like, they didn't officially appear as having worked for CA until a decade later.
19:32:40 But I was just told, randomly, when I was 16 years old, that these people were working for my friend's dad.
19:32:50 Well, I made possibly one of the dumbest mistakes I've ever made in my life.
19:32:57 Under the… under the, uh….
19:33:03 Under…. The misunderstanding that this is a free country and it had free speech, I wrote about this on the blog.
19:33:10 And I said, I bet you I know what…. So-and-so and so-and-so were doing back.
19:33:17 Right out of college, I bet you they were doing psychological experiments similar to.
19:33:24 Quote, MKUltra, unquote. Now, I realize this is a….
19:33:29 I realize this is an esoteric topic for people, but, you know, nothing I'm saying is not on the public record. It's all on Wikipedia.
19:33:36 If you go look…. I'm sure people remember the argument over waterboarding.
19:33:43 From what I remember, this is a big thing during the War on Terror, right?
19:33:47 Is waterboarding effective? Is it legal? Is it immoral? That guy, journalist Christopher Hitchens.
19:33:53 Got waterboarded to see if it was torture or not. In 2007, John Kiriaku.
19:34:00 Had gone. Okay. John Kiriaku was the guy who caught. The first high-value al-Qaeda target.
19:34:08 Target. John Kiriaki was all over social media, all over YouTube, he gives interviews all the time.
19:34:13 I've got one pinned to my X. If you ever… he's worth watching, but don't trust him, because I've caught him in many lies.
19:34:20 But, um…. In 2002, he called Abu Zabada.
19:34:26 Who they believed was the number 3 in al-Qaeda, but he actually wound up just being a logistics person. But he is the one who led them to.
19:34:35 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Who they believed, uh….
19:34:39 To be the mastermind of…. At least the hijacking part of 9-11, right? Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
19:34:46 They later started torturing all those people. John Kiriaki was offered to be trained in the quote-unquote enhanced interrogation program. He turned it down.
19:34:56 Other people turn it down, saying it's illegal, someone's gonna get in trouble for this, I don't want to go to jail.
19:35:02 Um…. He gets contacted, and he believes that they're about to pin the torture of Abu Zabada on him.
19:35:11 In 2007, this is the time when the CIA is hacking into the Senate Intelligence Committee's computer.
19:35:17 System. There's a whole, uh, Hollywood movie about this, came out a couple years ago called The Report.
19:35:23 It's actually pretty interesting. If you're interested in the subject, you should watch that movie.
19:35:28 Um, so John Kiriaki goes on TV, and what he says is.
19:35:33 Um…. Uh… the CI tortures its prisoners.
19:35:40 It's an official policy. It was signed off by the president.
19:35:44 I…. Before 9-11, right, I didn't know anything.
19:35:50 The only thing that I knew about the CIA before 9-11 was the MKUltra thing, because I had actually done a lot of reading into that.
19:35:57 Did a thing about it in high school, did a project on it in college. I was well….
19:36:03 Red in that subject, but that was really the only thing.
19:36:07 After 9-11, I start really researching into CIA. And… well, you know, 9-11, I started researching 9-11, it all leads to the CIA. I start researching the CA, it all leads to my family and friends, which was….
19:36:19 Very awkward, to put it lightly, okay? As soon as I write this stuff on my blog.
19:36:25 This is right before the 10th anniversary. Right? I had that YouTube channel, I was gonna go to New York City and, like, do a bunch of interviews and film a bunch of people, and write about it on the blog.
19:36:36 My wife, my ex, calls me. And she says….
19:36:41 This guy approached me at this networking event. Asking if I knew any computer programmers who might want a job.
19:36:50 My wife worked in the fashion industry. She doesn't know anything about computers.
19:36:55 Why in the world would they go to her? I asked her that, and she said, yeah, no, it was weird.
19:37:01 He seemed way more interested in talking about your career than mine.
19:37:06 I call this guy up, I'm a little suspicious. It seems kind of odd.
19:37:12 I go up to meet him, he's in this cut-out office, like, 10 minutes away from my….
19:37:18 Relative's house that I had just moved from. And it's like, this job was created just for me.
19:37:24 And I figured it out. I was like, wait a minute, like, this has to do with the….
19:37:29 I always thought that the thing I was writing about that was getting me in trouble was my 9-11 eyewitness testimony, and what I witnessed in the towers, what I would come to find out, it was the fact that I knew.
19:37:41 Of those people, and I knew of their…. Relationship to the CIA Enhanced Interrogation Program.
19:37:50 And they forgot how much I knew, because I had so many close connections with these people over the years.
19:37:57 I've… okay, and so, one time when…. I don't actually start working for this guy, but….
19:38:03 You know, it's real convenient. I was supposed to be telecommuting, and it's, like, getting closer to the anniversary, and he keeps saying, like, no, no, no, I need you in the office every day, and….
19:38:11 One time, we go out to lunch, and he asks me.
19:38:15 Like, do you think the government has a machine that can.
19:38:20 Control the weather and start hurricanes. And I'm like, no, I never heard anything like that.
19:38:26 And I'm thinking to myself, why in the world would he be asking me such odd questions? He's trying to, like.
19:38:31 Figure out what I might say about 9-11. I go back home and I just tell the guy, no way, I'm not doing this job.
19:38:39 Thank you anyway. That guy would show up 10 years later, and now I understand what was happening.
19:38:46 Later on, I get a job, and um…. Just, I go… this guy and I, a co-worker and I, we would go….
19:38:53 Watch the game after work. And, um…. He keeps on telling me about this woman.
19:39:00 I think he's got a crush on it, but I don't think it works the other way around. But he tells me all these unusual personal details, a sport that she… an unusual sport that she plays.
19:39:08 And, uh, that she's just graduated, and she's about to take her first overseas trip for the agency.
19:39:19 I got a lot more I could say on that, but….
19:39:23 Let me just kind of wrap it up. In 2000… I blogged about this stuff for 10 years.
19:39:32 Until I got too close, and in 2022, they moved to shut me down. They literally, physically threatened me.
19:39:39 Which is why I'm not saying any names, because I could name names.
19:39:43 You can figure it out if you look it up on Wikipedia.
19:39:46 Um, but oh my god, like, they literally threatened to murder me.
19:39:50 Then, they frickin' sent a psychologist to contact me. I just had dinner with them last year.
19:39:57 I met him for coffee, he flew to New York, I met him for coffee.
19:40:00 I took him out to a really lovely, wonderful dinner with his, uh, his beautiful wife and his lovely sister.
19:40:09 Uh, I promise I wouldn't…. Name any names, and I wouldn't make any specific details. You can ask me, I'll tell you whatever I want, but that's the thing.
19:40:19 I can tell you what's interesting, is that a little bit of analysis.
19:40:26 Under the Bush administration. Ironically, there was a real rift between the neocons in the White House and the CIA.
19:40:36 George Tennant had actually been nominated by, uh, Clinton, and was a hold of….
19:40:42 Over. Same with…. Richard Clark, the counterterrorism czar.
19:40:48 Um, uh…. If you remember the… those awful Abu Ghraib.
19:40:53 Torture scandal pictures. According to Cyhurst, that was a separate DoD program, because they weren't getting what they wanted from CA, so they came up with something called Copper Green.
19:41:03 Run by that guy Douglas Fyfe, who…. Tommy Franks called the stupidest effing guy in the world.
19:41:10 Um, uh…. Those… okay.
19:41:19 Yeah. Okay, so back in the days of MKUltra in the 50s and 60s, they called it, quote, mind control, unquote.
19:41:27 Or, quote, brainwashing, unquote. Very unscientific terms, very conspiracy-sounding.
19:41:33 Uh, I don't like to use that terminology. In the post-9-11 era, they called it learned helplessness.
19:41:41 They hired two psychologists to do it. Um, I don't know, I think that's really my story. Uh, thank God that the government turned over, because I… because everybody involved, as far as I can tell now, is either dead or retired.
19:41:54 I still can't name any names, but I think they're all out of government, and it doesn't matter anymore.
19:41:59 So, I don't know, that's my story. I hope you enjoyed listening. Please, uh….
19:42:04 Like, follow, and subscribe!
19:42:08 Thank you. Uh, you also had, um, share screen that you wanted to.
19:42:14 Do, right?
19:42:15 No, no, I just had… I just had a… I just wanted to show the, uh, the links for everything, that's all. I didn't have, like, a presentation or anything.
19:42:24 But, uh, I just wanted to say, if anybody. Please, um….
19:42:24 Okay.
19:42:30 I'm trying to rebuild my social media presence after literally having to, like.
19:42:36 Oh my god, I mean, they even censored me from Google Cash and the Internet Archive. It was amazing.
19:42:43 Wow. Yeah. Wow, um….
19:42:51 He has this hand raised for a question, go ahead, Jean.
19:42:54 Yes, um, thanks, Steve. Pretty good. I wanted to be able to share my whole screen, I guess I can't.
19:43:03 Uh, um…. Let's try it this way. I can only do one at a time.
19:43:07 Uh, you had said you were on… I was trying to get a location of where you were standing when you said you saw… you saw the towers.
19:43:13 Get hit when you saw the….
19:43:14 No, no, no, no, I can't, I can't. It doesn't matter. Everyone's seen the videos, like, my story of that day, like, everyone's seen it, right?
19:43:21 We were… we were. We're far enough away that we were never in danger when it hit, but we were close enough we could see everything. And everyone's seen the videos. I saw the second plane.
19:43:32 We saw the one building blow up, the other building blow up. Really, there's… there's… like I said, there's no….
19:43:37 I don't have any, like, smoking gun the day of. Like, I saw the same thing everyone else saw.
19:43:40 Yeah, I just wanted to get…. Could you just tell us where you were standing?
19:43:45 Roughly.
19:43:49 Nah, it doesn't matter.
19:43:51 Of course it does, but okay. Thank you.
19:43:58 Um…. Any other questions?
19:44:03 Honestly, I really think that the story about, like, the CIA stuff….
19:44:07 Is really the unique part of my story. I did not, you know, again, it took me decades to realize this.
19:44:16 But they used…. They use the intense interrogation program. Like, Bush specifically ordered.
19:44:23 Kofer Black to torture people to get false confessions to blame 9-11 on Iraq. He actually went on TV.
19:44:30 And said, we have found connections. Between Al-Qaeda and Iraq, trying to….
19:44:36 Passed this law that, uh, Saddam Hussein was, uh…. Had been, um….
19:44:44 Training al-Qaeda, which anyone who knows anything about this would know it's not true.
19:44:48 And, you know, also, um, Susan Lindauer, when she first came out with her testimony.
19:44:54 I, of course, looked up Richard Fuse, and I could not believe.
19:44:59 What I learned about this guy. He's almost like a….
19:45:04 Jeffrey Epstein-type character. He ran off with a $30 million in hush money.
19:45:11 Uh… basically to keep quiet about 9-11. It's unbelievable. Like, I almost think that that's more, like….
19:45:17 The stuff that happened in the tower, like I said, that's all been corroborated.
19:45:22 By a bunch of other people, and what it means. Hey, I got my opinion. You know, I think Ace Elevator….
19:45:29 Susan Lundauer says they had, uh. Van showing up in the middle of the night, the power downs, I mean, I think it's obvious to me.
19:45:36 But I'm not telling anybody anything new, I don't think.
19:45:42 Uh, Jerry has a question. Go ahead, Jerry.
19:45:46 Hello, I hope you could… you could hear me there. Fascinating account.
19:45:51 Uh, Steven, and Glad. Glad you came out of it, and you….
19:45:56 Your friend came out of it. I remember it was a few weeks ago, you mentioned that there were.
19:46:01 Working on the elevators. And… and the run-up.
19:46:08 Can you remember…. Or elevator it was.
19:46:13 And, like, the number of elevators, you know, you've got, like.
19:46:17 The ones I'm interested in an elevator 6 and 7. An elevator 50.
19:46:23 The elevator 50, I don't argue you'll…. You'll get, but these are the ones that went right up.
19:46:29 Toward the tower. Can you remember. Toll any specific elevator that they were working on.
19:46:38 Well, I… I'm pretty sure the comment I made was this.
19:46:37 Anyway….
19:46:42 They were always working on one elevator or another. There was always some elevator that was out of service or under repair. There's a lot of elevators. If I recall correctly.
19:46:53 I mean, you… I mean, everyone knows how huge the towers were. If I recall correctly, the elevators were broken up into three.
19:47:00 You would take an elevator up to one-third of the distance.
19:47:04 And then you transfer, and then you go up to the second third, and then the third third.
19:47:08 I don't know if there were…. I don't know if there were any elevators that actually went all the way from the top to all the way from the bottom, I'm not sure.
19:47:17 But my point was just that, uh, there were always elevators being worked on. There were always maintenance crews in and out of the building constantly.
19:47:25 There's constant, you know, construction work. When it… on any building that size. So, the idea that it would be unusual for an elevator to be out of service is… no, I mean, it's totally normal.
19:47:37 Okay, okay. Fair, fair, fair point. There were actually 3 elevators that….
19:47:43 That did go up to the impact point of the North Tower.
19:47:47 Um, that went. Strong basement level, B2 level and B5 level, up to there. There were only 3.
19:47:55 So my interest was really about the. The whopping damage, and….
19:47:59 So there was… there was… there was 3… 3 elevators that went all the way from the top to all the way from the bottom?
19:48:06 Yeah, yeah, uh, yeah. Well, one of them went up to 107.
19:48:07 Okay.
19:48:11 The other went, uh, right to the top. But that was my mentor. My other question, just really quickly, if you could indulge me.
19:48:21 When the second plane impacted. Did you… did the ground move?
19:48:27 Uh, no. No, no, uh-uh.
19:48:27 Did you feel… did you feel the ground move? Okay.
19:48:32 Like, I… okay, yeah, it was just like you saw in the video.
19:48:35 We're just standing there in this crowd. And then the crowd starts to murmur, and then people start pointing, and you can see this plane in the distance.
19:48:44 And it starts to get closer and closer, and then all of a sudden, people start to think, wait, this is not good.
19:48:50 We got… it got close enough, you could hear it, too.
19:48:53 And then, yeah, it just flew right into the building and blew up.
19:48:56 Just like… just like all the videos show. I don't really got anything different on that.
19:49:01 Passionate. Fascinating account, though, Stephen, thank you.
19:49:06 Thank you.
19:49:09 Barbara has a question? Go ahead, Barbara.
19:49:12 Yeah, hi Steven, thank you so much for what you've shared with us.
19:49:16 Thank you.
19:49:16 Um, unfortunately, I was…. In a vet appointment, an emergency vet appointment, and I missed the first half hour, so I'll have to see the video.
19:49:24 Um, and… and we can talk after that. But my first question in there, too.
19:49:29 Um, is… have you told us everything you wanted to about the Susan Lindauer fuse?
19:49:37 Uh, Link, I don't think you have.
19:49:39 You know, this is a really…. Ugly topic.
19:49:45 Well, but it's important.
19:49:51 Okay. Uh, I'm gonna post a link.
19:49:58 I'm gonna post a link in the chat. To an article from New York Magazine from 1998 that mentions Richard Fuse.
19:50:08 This is a very ugly subject, but let me just real quickly….
19:50:12 Say something, okay? I lived in Manhattan for….
19:50:19 Basically a decade, right? I moved there in the summer of 2001.
19:50:23 I left right before the 10th anniversary. Um, my wife was a big social butterfly, we were always going to parties, and you know….
19:50:33 Um, we saw some things, okay. Let me tell you just real, real, real quick, okay?
19:50:41 We went to this party once, I don'