Jonathan from New Zealand thinks military planes hit the Twins on 9/11. Listen to his argument and my counter arguments - Who had the most compelling evidence / explanations? By the end of the chat, I just couldn't handle his coping anymore. The 9/11 Plane & No Plane debate settled Most probably the best distraction of WHAT happened on September 11, 2001 Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-the-plane-no-plane-argument The Suspension of Newtonian Physics on 9/11 A Plane conversation with Dr Morgan Reynolds & 9/11 Revisionist Article & Interview: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-suspension-of-newtonian-physics-0c6 9/11 Truth Movement Planes Propaganda - Podcast - 7th March 2025 When the 9/11 truther planes narratives do not fly Podcast: https://rumble.com/v6q6eo8-when-the-911-truther-plane-narratives-do-not-fly.html

Chuck talks with Norm from South Africa about the work of 9/11 Revisionist, the lead counter voice in the 9/11 truth movement. This TAP Talk covers the Judy Wood evidence that shows secret technology was applied in the destruction of the World Trade Center complex. Norman shares key clips from posts at his substack, and discusses damage to the buildings, and explains the dancing Israelis in the broader context of those in charge of the September 11th attacks. https://youtu.be/AYBiPhdkvyY

9/11 First Responder (Pentagon) / Veteran of OEF 05/06 (Afghanistan) Former Psyop Soldier, Former Denizen of D.C. Healthily disillusioned American Patriot. Follow on X - @oefsofsoldier11 The PentaCon on 9/11 When a missile AND a plane did not hit a target Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-pentacon-on-911

I was delighted to speak with 9/11 planes researcher Bob Runyon, to discuss aspects of the anomalous crash physics involving Flight 175 on 9/11. 9/11 Planes Research (Mark) was also co-host of this podcast. We both enjoyed our time speaking with Bob, and hope we can catch-up with Bob again soon. We would sincerely like to thank Bob for making the time to chat with us, as it was 4 a.m. in the morning for Bob in the USA when we recorded this podcast. Bob's Substack - https://substack.com/@bobthefreeradical 9/11 Planes Research Substack - https://911planesresearch.substack.com 9/11 Revisionist Sustack - https://911revision.substack.com/

Narrative vs. evidence; Morgan Reynolds; Mark Conlon; Shanksville; the Pentagon; Curt Weldon; survivors on Stairwell B; Richard Gage; Camp 2 propaganda techniques; the 9/11 Memorial Museum Podcast interview: https://911revision.substack.com/p/david-hughes-on-the-importance-of

Here is the short segment that aired on September 10, 2025 and Dean promised to have me back for a more in depth discussion of limited hangouts in the 9/11 truth movement and the evidence presented in 2007, by Dr Morgan Reynolds and Dr Judy Wood. Be sure to work through the below “show notes”, as that is what I had prepared for the 25 minute segment, which we did not get to. Background reading in the build up to this opportunity to present; 1. RichardGage911's Incredulity: DEWS at the WTC https://nomoregames.net/2011/06/12/request-for-correction-by-nist-for-its-invalid-wtc-jetliner-animations-and-analyses/ 2. Nukes on 9/11 - One big fabricated technical falsehood! https://911revision.substack.com/p/nukes-on-911-one-big-fabricated-technical 3. The debate between Richard Gage and Jim Fetzer provided a laugh a minute https://911revision.substack.com/p/when-911-truthers-fail 4. Setting the Record Straight: The 9/11 Truth Movement https://911revision.substack.com/p/setting-the-record-straight-the-911 A whole industry has been created - A whole "truth" movement, to have people NOT look at the evidence presented TO COURT in 2007, all whilst they are gaslighting good intentioned truth seekers with stories of remote-controlled planes or drones, CGI TV video fakery, bombs, and thermite for a controlled demolition or even buried or mini nukes. Making sure people NEVER look at the anomalies with the 9/11 orphans, buildings 3, 4, 5, 6 and the Bankers Trust building, because if people do, they will immediately see the problems with the 9/11 truther narratives that are being SOLD to them. Good intentioned truth seekers are FUNDING the greater cover-up of the truth of what happened on 9/11. Read their court filings. 1. Dr Reynolds' case was for the fraudulent plane impact reports https://nomoregames.net/2011/06/12/request-for-correction-by-nist-for-its-invalid-wtc-jetliner-animations-and-analyses/ 2. Dr Wood's case was for the destruction at the WTC complex https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/

An presentation Dismantling the 9/11 Collapse & Controlled Demolition Theories William Ramsey's Rumble channel: https://rumble.com/user/williamramsey He also features heavily in this documentary: 9/11 Alchemy: A Big Idea - https://rumble.com/v4irvwr-911-alchemy-a-big-idea.html

A plane conversation with Dr Morgan Reynolds One of the unsung heros of 9/11 truth, is Dr Morgan Reynolds. He was one of two astute professionals seeing the issues with the government’s official conspiracy theory of what happened on 9/11. He raised questions pertaining to NIST’s fraudulent aeroplane impact studies for flights 11 and 175, that allegedly crashed into the towers on September 11, 2001. You can read his 2007 Qui-Tam whistleblower case here: https://nomoregames.net/2011/06/12/request-for-correction-by-nist-for-its-invalid-wtc-jetliner-animations-and-analyses/ A lot of misinformation and disinformation has been put out over the years regarding the planes on 9/11, with documentaries like September Clues, In Plane Sight, Loose Change, just to mention a few… Recently the 9/11 truth movement, under the banner of the International Center for 9/11 Justice, suppression, has resurrected the totally ludicrous and provably impossible narrative of remote controlled planes, which 9/11 Planes Research and I broke down in a discussion in March of this year. Listen here: https://911revision.substack.com/p/when-the-911-truther-plane-narratives Through all of my research and seeing through all the disinformation out there, as well as people not being able to apply basic physics to what they were presented with on 9/11, I have been wanting to speak to Dr Reynolds for quite a while and on Good Friday, we had a great conversation, mulling over his involvement in the initial formation of the Scholars for 9/11 truth, way back in 2005 and then all the shenanigans that took place in the subsequent years. A lot was covered and you’d be able to learn a lot about how the 9/11 truth movement is actually steering people away from the truth and what an ongoing COINTELPRO operation it is. In this discussion, we go over when he realised that something was a miss, the 9/11 Scholars, his 2007 Qui-Tam whistleblower case, the so called truther celebrities that are defrauding good intentioned truth seekers out of their money, and just how easily people got fooled and how difficult it is for people to admit to themselves that they have been bamboozled. Get the popcorn, whilst we expose these disingenuous fraudsters.

Getting the 9/11 truther plane propaganda in focus Read the accompanying article: This is a podcast that 9/11 Planes Research and I had building on my last two 9/11 plane related articles - Why the remote takeover of planes on 9/11 is IMPOSSIBLE and The Fantasy Flights on 9/11. It is a long podcast, close to 3 hours, but it’s important to give it a listening to, as we go deep into the 9/11 truth movement and the re-pivot of even more disinformation and propaganda, especially when it comes to the alleged planes on 9/11. THE PODCAST FOCUS: The International Center for 9/11 Justice - a brief background The re-pivoting Captain Dan Hanley Piers Robinson The Truth Movement’s Role Aidan Monaghan Remote Controlled Planes Critical Analysis Paper What Really Happened With The 4 Planes Evidence Ignored No ELT’s, ACARS, BTS DCC Radar Video Evidence: Missing Wings Impossible Plane Speeds Video Fakery vs 3D Volumetric Projection Technology Get the popcorn ready and let’s jump into it. The Fantasy Flights on 9/11 One of the biggest hurdles for 9/11 truth seekers and normies Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-fantasy-flights-on-911 Why the remote takeover of planes on 9/11 is IMPOSSIBLE Avionics technician exposes the impossibilities of remotely taking-over a commercial aircraft way back in 2007 Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/why-the-remote-takeover-of-planes 9/11 Planes: 3D VIPT (https://rumble.com/v42pr22-911-alchemy-facing-reality.html)vs Video Fakery and CGI Is seeing believing, or believing seeing on 9/11? Read the Article: https://911planesresearch.substack.com/p/911-planes-3d-volumetric-image-projection Elephant in the "Plane Hugging" 9/11 Truth Movement Living Room A Difficult Fact: No Emergency Locator Transmissions on 9/11 Article: https://911planesresearch.substack.com/p/elephant-in-the-plane-hugging-911

The points we covered; 1. Structural collapse vs. controlled demolition - 2 min 50 sec 2. Structural integrity of the twin towers - 6 min 3. What we think we saw - 13 min 4. Who is Dr Judy Wood? - 16 min 30 sec 5. Lack of rubble - 21 min 6. Survivors in stairwell B of the North Tower between floors 2 and 22 - 27 min 7. Artifacts in the rubble. Where are the items to be expected? - 33 min 8. Basement is mostly intact and undamaged so if a controlled demolition, why were basements intact if explosives were not there? - 40 min 9. Seismic readings on all buildings. King Dome comparison. What is expected? What was measured? - 48 min 10. Building 6 pulled - 58 min 11. Building 7 BBC reported 20min prior to collapse BUT CNN reported it one hour prior - 1h 02min Building 7 and no explosive sounds - 1h 05min 13. Building 7 and the ongoing fuming at the world trade center - 1h 08min 14. Spontaneous combustion of things like oxygen tanks in ambulances - 1h 11min 15. Cars combusting randomly - 1h 14min 16. What about other buildings 3,4, 5, 6, and bankers buildings? Eight buildings were affected. The outcome of these building had no event like planes… What happened? 1h 18min 17. No heat - The rubble pile was COLD! - 1h 21 min 18. No pictures of molten metal. No evidence of it. - 1h 25min 19. Class 4 Hurricane Erin off coast. What can this mean? - 1h 33min 20. Magnetic field anomalies for each and every event - 1h 35min 21. Not everything that glows are hot and scientist John Hutchison replicating Nicola Tesla’s work and is famous for his “Hutchison Effect” - 1h 44min 22. Radio frequency technology now referred to as Directed Energy Weapons or Scalar waves and Lieutenant Colonel Tom E. Bearden - 1h 56min 23. The thermite lie - 2h 02min 24. Cold fusion is dangerous - 2h 16min 30sec 25. 60 Minutes on “Cold Fusion is Hot Again”. Dr. Rob Duncan, University of Missouri independent audit of research on cold fusion - 2h 24min 26. If cold fusion exists, how would it change the world? - 2h 29min Please find original upload here: https://rumble.com/v6tbgg9-countering-the-911-theory-of-controlled-demolition.html Dismantling the theory of controlled demolition on 9/11 Good intentioned truth seekers are being sold a provably false narrative Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/dismantling-the-theory-of-controlled My interview with Maryann Gebauer, is now available on Dr Morgan Reynolds' website https://nomoregames.net/2025/05/13/interview-countering-the-theory-of-controlled-demolition/

Recorded 4th of July 2024 https://rumble.com/v55qaza-episode-14-911-revisited.html In this episode I sit down with Norman of 9/11 Revisited - who tells a very different story from the one we heard from Richard Gage on the previos9/11 episode. Watch the episode and see what you think. Check out these links below from Norman, and do your own research - keep an open mind because this one is crazy!! 9/11 Alchemy: Facing Reality (2018) - https://rumble.com/v42pr22-911-alchemy-facing-reality.html Interview with Chris Hampton, from 9/11 Alchemy - https://rumble.com/v52romo-chris-hampton-the-creator-of-911-alchemy-facing-reality.html 9/11 Truth: Greatest Hits 2023 (Extended Cut) - https://rumble.com/v3xm981-911-truth-greatest-hits-2023-extended-cut.html 2012 – 9/11 Truth Presentation - https://youtu.be/aWNzq9OWGmY 9/11 Planes Research - https://911planesresearch.substack.com/ 9/11 Revisionist - https://substack.com/@911revision Andrew Johnson's two FREE E-Books on 9/11: 1. 9/11 Finding the Truth - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/pdf/9-11%20-%20Finding%20the%20Truth.pdf 2. 9/11 Holding the Truth - http://checktheevidencecom.ipage.com/checktheevidence.com/pdf/911%20Holding%20The%20Truth%20-Andrew%20Johnson%20-%202017.pdf Read Dr Wood’s book: Where did the towers go? https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com

When you have ET going home, with your brain in a jar, you are left with Mike Bara It was amusing to listen to this Mike Bara fellow, never heard of him before, that allegedly worked in the space and aerospace industries, wrote a couple of books on UFO's etc, but he stumbles with basic physics, during our X space this past Saturday. He is another person I can put on my list of people who lack any sign of intellectual humility and his mental gymnastics gives me the feeling he must be some sort of government spook, like most of the talking heads are in the UFO field. You need to listen to our interaction, where Mike was dismissing the testimony Kage Strange, a first responder, discussing the lack of rubble and all the other strange anomalies that he witnessed at ground zero. I had a field day on Mike’s Telegram page, after the X space, sharing more information and numerous of the people on his Telegram messaged me privately, stating how they are now suspect of him, especially after blocking me from his X and Telegram page. The poor sod abruptly just ended the X space, when he saw that he's interacting with someone that can point out all his bullshit talking points and lack of a basic understanding of physics. I expected more of him, but hey, anyone still believing or promoting the official government conspiracy theory of fire induced collapses and planes, don’t care about the truth and aren’t worth your time to waste listening to them.

MES assembled a LEGENDARY crew of real 9/11 Truthers - Andrew Johnson aka Check The Evidence (from 30 minutes) - Mark Conlon aka 9/11 Planes Research - Adam Eisenberg Pentagon whistleblower - William aka That's Live But Not As We Know It (TLBNAWKI) - Jon Fortenberry aka American Fathers - Chris Bergier, Aerospace engineer from Boston 9/11 Truth - Keith aka Dr. Judy Wood's friend - Methylminer Original link: https://youtu.be/CXUcJD38bPQ

9/11 Revisited, Field Interference, 9/11 Planes Research and MES examine and debunk the many myths people hold about 9/11. From imaginary jet fuel the mainstream media push to the imaginary explosive and thermite nonsense mainstream alt media push, truth (DEW) is covered up through endless distractions.

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A 5h marathon where I go through all the disinformation agents in the so called 9/11 "truth" movement... Source: https://youtu.be/QzxFHzQWE1Q This is a talk I would have given to the 9/11 War Room, Boston 9/11, TAP and Colorado 9/11 – all these groupies that think architects for an engineered truth’s thermite or bombs disinformation is a truthful account of what the destruction method of the Towers were. The plan was to introduce them to the work of Dr Judy Wood because they were taught NOT to look at her work and MOST other people don’t even know of her work, who end up in their chat rooms are being set up to believe absolute hogwash. Currently these old guard leaders all suffer from Premeditated Ignorance… We’ll get to the definition later. We’ll be approaching this talk from a perception management angle, as well as sharing evidence sharing of why explosives, thermite or nukes weren’t in play and towards the end of the talk, we’ll show some interactions with these “9/11 truther celebrities” where they fail dismally to answer basic questions, as well as being able to see how they discount EVIDENCE their theories cannot explain – Get the popcorn, as this is going to be one of my deep dives. 9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline Is the 9/11 "truth" movement a distraction movement? What happens if you ask TRUTH questions? Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/questions-for-the-911-truther-talking

So, Colorado 9/11 Truth have published their Zoom meeting, from 13 May 2023 where they fell over their feet trying to dodge and dive questions from a guy called Norman. The zoom meeting was a presentation of Wayne H. Coste, PE paper – “The Case for Propelled Demolition at the Twin Towers”. Read the paper here: https://911speakout.org/wp-content/uploads/WTC_Propelled_Demolition_Paper.pdf There were 6 questions for Wayne, which seemed to get the host, David Chandler, Wayne, and the moderator “Dorothy” in some entertaining discomfort, just before they started the question-and-answer part of the meeting because everyone in the meeting could see all 6 of the questions. First, they “couldn’t see the questions”, then they asked two of the questions, but then stated that they didn’t have enough time to answer all the questions but would ask two more questions after being called out for being disingenuous and other attendees asked why Norman was being ignored and then the two promised questions to be answered was lessened to only 1. Then it’s important to notice how the question is not answered fully, especially the part of the question on the “spire” … The stupid comment of beams cut at angles will be addressed with an add in video, debunking their “proof” of thermite charges being used. The question-and-answer session is also edited in such a way to hide how they are stumbling over their feet not to have to answer the questions, and they were so rattled, their main talking head Richard Gage had to chime in, in his t-shirt to save their asses. Just a pity the question-and-answer session was edited as to lessen their stumbling around. The questions for Wayne: 1. In the conclusion of your paper, you mention “Erik” – “without who’s unrelenting nonsense the concepts underlying this paper would not have crystalized." – So, who is Erik? 2. With regards to your propelled demolition hypothesis, one needs to remember what is seen in RR welding... Thermite reactions are very audible with hissing, spitting and have a long duration, like firework sparklers. When looking at the video evidence with regards to the South and North Tower “spires”, it seems to nullify your hypothesis of where the thermite could have been placed, as you just breeze over the “ghost spire”, not even attempting to explain the visual of the solid steel spire, wobbling and moving to and fro, and then drops down vertically. Now, you did mention that there were 16 people that survived at the bottom of the North spire, so where did that 70-story high spire go? How did it not drop down on the people below in stairway B and crush them? Why did they not suffer any burns from the thermite charges going off and then falling on them from above? 3. On September 12, people commented on the news, that people could not believe on how LITTLE rubble there was, so where did all the steel go? 4. So, if it was thermite, why do we have witness testimonies of vehicles spontaneously combusting, Scott packs and oxygen tanks were exploding in fire trucks and ambulances parked in the streets around the WTC complex – Do you have an idea what caused that? 5. What caused the fuming that kept on going for the first 100 days after the disintegration and I have also seen video of this fuming and watering down of the debris field in 2008 – If you study the USGS Thermal pictures, which were the results of NASA’s Airborne Visible/Infrared Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) remote sensing data and interpretations that showed the distribution and intensity of thermal hot spots in the area in and around the World Trade Centre on September 16 and 23, 2001. The hot spots were shown as orange and yellow areas. Dozens of hot spots could be seen on September 16, but most had cooled, and the fires had been put out by September 23. So, what caused the fuming without heat, up to the video evidence in 2008? 6. Lastly - You also touch on “A partial list of refuted hypotheses” regards WHAT happened as well. I am interested in your criticism of DEW… I’ve read Dr Wood’s book and she discussed the lack of seismic readings, and she also refers to the changes of the earth’s magnetic field. Do you have any thoughts on this? Because if you look at the core coulombs where the survivors where, they weren’t bent, bolts weren’t ripped out and on the one tower’s remains, you had some of the wee-checks that came unbolted in the middle of a grid? How would you explain this? For the 3-part upload of the presentation, feel free to go have a look on their Odysee channel @CO911Truth:1

My latest interview with Maryann Gebauer Full podcast: https://rumble.com/v6tbgg9-countering-the-911-theory-of-controlled-demolition.html Dismantling the 9/11 Collapse & Controlled Demolition Theories The points we covered; 1. Structural collapse vs. controlled demolition 2. Structural integrity of the twin towers 3. What we think we saw 4. Who is Dr Judy Wood? 5. Lack of rubble 6. Survivors in stairwell B of the North Tower between floors 2 and 22 7. Artifacts in the rubble. Where are the items to be expected? 8. Basement is mostly intact and undamaged so if a controlled demolition, why were basements intact if explosives were not there? 9. Seismic readings on all buildings. King Dome comparison. What is expected? What was measured? 10. Building 6 pulled 11. Building 7 BBC reported 20min prior to collapse BUT CNN reported it one hour prior Building 7 and no explosive sounds 13. Building 7 and the ongoing fuming at the world trade center 14. Spontaneous combustion of things like oxygen tanks in ambulances 15. Cars combusting randomly 16. What about other buildings 3,4, 5, 6, and bankers buildings? Eight buildings were affected. The outcome of these building had no event like planes… What happened? 17. No heat - The rubble pile was COLD! 18. No pictures of molten metal. No evidence of it. 19. Class 4 Hurricane Erin off coast. What can this mean? 20. Magnetic field anomalies for each and every event 21. Not everything that glows are hot and scientist John Hutchison replicating Nicola Tesla’s work and is famous for his “Hutchison Effect” 22. Radio frequency technology now referred to as Directed Energy Weapons or Scalar waves and Lieutenant Colonel Tom E. Bearden 23. The thermite lie 24. Cold fusion is dangerous 25. 60 Minutes on “Cold Fusion is Hot Again”. Dr. Rob Duncan, University of Missouri independent audit of research on cold fusion 26. If cold fusion exists, how would it change the world? Countering the 9/11 theory of controlled demolition A mountain of evidence suggests that the 911 towers did not fall by controlled demolition. Article: https://maryanngebauer.substack.com/p/countering-the-911-theory-of-controlled

Bob Greenyer - Iron Rich Microspheres due to intense magnetic vortexes and there is NO thermite, no little neutron bomb or jet fuel required. Bob Greenyer from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project joins the show to discuss his ground-breaking work on exotic vacuum objects (EVOs), Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR or "Cold Fusion), and the Hutchison Effect. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLe2uhz4ANs

So, I joined a X space and they did not like hearing about these two 2007 whistleblower cases and shut the space down... 1. Reynolds: https://nomoregames.net/2011/06/12/request-for-correction-by-nist-for-its-invalid-wtc-jetliner-animations-and-analyses/ 2. Wood: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/ Read Dr Wood’s book: Where did the towers go? https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com Andrew Johnson's two FREE E-Books on 9/11: 1. 9/11 Finding the Truth - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/pdf/9-11%20-%20Finding%20the%20Truth.pdf 2. 9/11 Holding the Truth - http://checktheevidencecom.ipage.com/checktheevidence.com/pdf/911%20Holding%20The%20Truth%20-Andrew%20Johnson%20-%202017.pdf

Please download this and send it to him as he's got me blocked. With regards to Captain Dan – He and I had a conversation on a X space, wherein – He ADMITTED that I know more about flight dynamics, what various aeronautical engineers have said in the past, pilots that actually flew the planes that are alleged to have crashed on 9/11. So, that is a sheepish way of admitting he is KNOWINGLY busy sharing disinformation. Full discussion on the Boston 9/11 Zoom call and debunk of the "Radio Controlled Planes" theory on 9/11 - https://rumble.com/v5bfycy-exposing-the-remote-controlled-planes-theory-on-boston-911-truth.html Revisiting the 9/11 CGI & Remote Controlled Plane Narrative The most important thought experiment to date Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/revisiting-the-911-cgi-plane-narrative 9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline

Please download and re-upload to his X profile - the coward has me blocked Alien Scientist, Jeremy Rys was having a live chat on his channel, spouting a bunch of disinformation on 9/11 and then made the mistake of letting me talk to him mid podcast... As soon as I made points he could NOT refute, he muted me and went on an ad hominem tirade as all 9/11 "truther" pushing the b/s thermite theory... Also listen to him explain the "Hutchison Effect" which he deleted off his YT channel years ago... Jeremy - The internet is forever. http://web.archive.org/web/20120228124648/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIqIT9avewU After listening to the above video interactions, my guess is that he might be forced to play dumb. Read pages 36 to 41 in Andrew Johnson's book - 9/11 Holding the truth. FREE E-Book Download: http://checktheevidencecom.ipage.com/checktheevidence.com/pdf/911%20Holding%20The%20Truth%20-Andrew%20Johnson%20-%202017.pdf You sir are a limited hangout claiming to be pro-free energy research, yet you deny free energy technology in play on 9/11. You're too much of a COWARD to go into a civil debate where you will have to defend the weak thermite theory for the explanation of the destructive force we saw on 9/11.... Contrary to the "nanothermite" hypothesis of the "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth," the Twin Towers were evidently destroyed at low temperatures, revealing the reality of "Cold Fusion". – Prof David A, Hughes There are three key layers to perception management: (i) the official narrative, (ii) the official approved alternative narrative, and (iii) the truth. Presentation: https://dhughes.substack.com/p/in-defence-of-judy-wood