Why Isolationists and Interventionists Are Both Wrong | Yoram Hazony

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This is the 30 minute TV version of Jan Jekielek’s interview with Yoram Hazony. The longer-form version was released on Epoch TV on August 28, 2025.

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For years, U.S. strategic missteps have empowered Tehran and Beijing, according to political theorist Yoram Hazony. Now, as a new strain of isolationism grows in America, Hazony says, both isolationism and hyper-interventionism have key flaws.

In this episode, Yoram Hazony and Jan Jekielek dive into President Donald Trump’s distinct foreign policy approach as well as what Hazony sees as an assault on nation-states and their right to independent decision-making.

Nationalism has been falsely vilified, and global governance has become the new mantra, he says.

Hazony recently released a revised edition of his 2018 seminal work, “The Virtue of Nationalism,” which played a key role in bolstering the global national conservatism movement. Hazony is also Chairman of the Edmund Burke Foundation, which hosts the National Conservatism Conference in the United States, Britain, and Europe.

CHAPTER TITLES
0:00:00 Introduction to Foreign Policy Dichotomies and Trump’s Approach
0:01:02 Trump’s Foreign Policy and the Trump Doctrine
0:09:07 Peace Through Strength vs. Militarism and Pacifism
0:14:00 Nationalism vs. Imperialism: Definitions and Misconceptions
0:21:31 The Redefinition of Political Terms and Its Impact
0:22:56 Closing Remarks and Farewell

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