Five Fold or One Fold? The Myth of Restored Apostles and Prophets | Chino Ross | Podcast Episode 418

John and Chino discuss the rise of the five-fold ministry teaching and its impact on religious movements, starting with personal experiences and false predictions within Hobart Freeman’s ministry. They explore the inconsistencies in early prophecies, such as the case of Bruce Kinsey, and how failed predictions were later ignored or explained away. Their conversation highlights how unfulfilled expectations often sank like quicksand, disappearing from memory while leaders continued promoting the system.

The discussion broadens to examine the restorationist claim of reviving lost ministry offices, contrasting biblical foundations with modern self-appointed leaders. John and Chino reflect on Freeman’s shifting recognition of figures like Branham, Osborne, and Hagen, eventually denouncing those he once upheld. They also review the legendary “apostle from Denmark” story and its flaws. In closing, they emphasize the historical role of true apostles and prophets in laying the foundation of the early church, contrasting it with today’s claims, which lack biblical and historical grounding.

00:00 Introduction
00:31 The Five-Fold Ministry as a Pyramid Scheme
02:02 Hobart Freeman’s Prophecy Over Bruce Kinsey
06:08 Prophecy Turns Against Bruce
09:34 Cult Prophecies and the Quicksand Effect
13:02 False Prophets and Failed Predictions
15:24 The Rise of Prophecy Culture
19:06 Marketing Slogans Masquerading as Prophecy
19:39 Hobart Freeman’s Five-Fold Teaching
22:09 The Bubble Book and Early Excitement
25:14 Inconsistencies in Freeman’s Prophets
28:11 Hobart Freeman’s Early Examples
30:18 Contradictions with Kenneth Hagin and Kathryn Kuhlman
32:05 Where Are the True Five-Fold Ministers?
41:10 The Apostle from Denmark Story
50:23 The Evolution of Freeman’s Denmark Narrative
53:12 Why the Story Doesn’t Hold Up
55:12 Apostles, Prophets, and Mental Health Issues
58:05 Why Freeman Claimed Teacher Instead of Apostle
1:00:01 One-Fold Ministry Exposed
1:02:00 The False Prophet Visitor
1:02:46 Hobart Freeman’s Book on Body Ministry
1:04:03 The Foundation of Apostles and Prophets
1:05:19 Closing Thoughts and Warnings
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