DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Interview with Reality Winner”

Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou bring you a wide-ranging interview with NSA whistleblower Reality Winner. Delving deep into themes of courage, accountability, and resilience, this conversation uncovers the high cost of exposing government secrets. As Winner shares raw insights from her fascinating journey, we confront the urgent realities of surveillance, justice, and redemption in America's security state.

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